Princeandy
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 Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: If we are dumb what is McVay ?Stupid and/or propagandist. |
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| Quote: | "Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmcvay@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
Poor, dumb Andy. German historians question Holocaust historiography as a |
matter of routine, as do others, and yet they are not in jail.
He thinks we cannot read? What kind of place is Germany if the lawyer cannot
bring up the lies without being charged. And our prop[agandist McVay wants
us to believe that historians are examining the inept jewish historians
holocaust inaccuracies without fear of presecution???
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n4p-2_Toben.html
Intimidation of Defendants
On the first day of the trial, November 8, Töben announced that he would not
defend himself against the charges because by doing so he would likely be
charged for additional violations of Germany's "Holocaust denial" and
"incitement" laws. His lawyer, Ludwig Bock, similarly announced that he
would offer no defense on behalf of Töben because he risked being charged
himself. "If I say anything I will go to jail myself, and if he says
anything there will be another trial," Bock told a reporter.
Prosecutor Klein later confirmed that such fears were entirely justified.
"If they [Töben and Bock] had repeated things in this court which are
against the law I would have charged them again," said Klein. Bock did
however read a statement to the court that compared the prosecution of Töben
and other "Holocaust deniers" to the trials of witches in the Middle Ages,
and which called Germany's anti-revisionist laws a gross violation of the
principle of freedom of speech.
In the German legal system no privilege protects the evidence of witnesses
in court. If a defendant, or his attorney, says something in court that
repeats the "crime" for which he is being tried, he can be charged again.
This makes it all but impossible for defendants in such "thought crime"
cases to present effective arguments and pertinent evidence.
"The problem we have," said Geoff Muirden, Adelaide Institute acting
director, "is that since it's against the law to produce hard evidence to
prove aspects of the Holocaust are wrong, we can't mount much of a defense."
"I wanted the court to go with me to Auschwitz and see the evidence," said
Töben. "In any case where murder is alleged, there has to be a murder
weapon. I have been to Auschwitz and I know there is no mass murder weapon
there. The so-called [homicidal] gas chambers do not exist."
Bock, who is well-known in Germany as a defender of Holocaust "thought
criminals," meanwhile is awaiting the outcome of an appeal of his own
conviction (and 9,000-mark fine) earlier this year on a charge of inciting
racial hatred because, in defending another revisionist skeptic, Günter
Deckert, he had criticized German political leaders and judges for
suppressing debate on the Holocaust issue.
In similar cases in the past, German courts have simply refused to consider
evidence supporting revisionist claims. In effect, truth is no defense. For
example, some years ago German courts fined best-selling British historian
David Irving 30,000 marks (about $21,000) for publicly saying what is now
authoritatively conceded. He was punished for having told a Munich meeting
in April 1990 that the structure in Auschwitz that has been portrayed for
decades to tourists as an extermination gas chamber is a "dummy" (Attrappe).
http://mathaba.net/news/?x=550661
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article707229.ece
The secret files openeed after 60 years. No sign of proof of any of the
holocaust claims yet??? |
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