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 Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Fox News Gives Very Derogatory And Frightening Report On |
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| Quote: | The cost per patient in the Canadian system is far
less than in the US system
Rationed care, with it's glorious long lines and growing deficit of
doctors, specialist, etc, has a way of doing that.
There is no such thing as rationed health care in Canada,
Clearly there is. And, I again point out the long lines, lack of new |
equipment, and the fact that Canada's rationed system is driving away
doctors, specialist, etc.
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but if you're
referring to how the private insurers in the USA can decide whether or not
you are eligible to receive treatment, you're spot on.
Agree. But that doesn't make the Canadian way better. [Which is really |
what this discussion is about]
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Note: Hospitals in both countries cannot turn away sick people. By law |
they have to help them. [And if I was poor and had to choose, I would
go American]
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You are simply proving that the American right's knowledge of Canadian single
payer health care is limited to parroting propaganda, exaggeration,
distortions and fear mongering; along with avoiding your own problem by
finger pointing.
With such limited knowledge, you look like a fool.
If that was true then you would have proven it.
I must say that it's a sad day when people like you are so invested in |
a belief that any discussion of it sends you into a rage and you treat
it as if it's an attack on your person.
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The U.S. government spends more per capita on health care
Because Americans use it more and get more out of it.
Yeah, right. Now you're not even making any sense.
Clearly if you compare services you will see Americans get more. |
[Americans see more specialist, get more test, get better equipment
used on them...Basically they get better all around service] |
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Martha Adams
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:42 am Post subject: Re: Fox News Gives Very Derogatory And Frightening Report On |
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"Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head"
<messiah2999@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The cost per patient in the Canadian system is far
less than in the US system
Rationed care, with it's glorious long lines and growing deficit of
doctors, specialist, etc, has a way of doing that.
There is no such thing as rationed health care in Canada,
Clearly there is. And, I again point out the long lines, lack of new
equipment, and the fact that Canada's rationed system is driving away
doctors, specialist, etc.
but if you're
referring to how the private insurers in the USA can decide whether
or not
you are eligible to receive treatment, you're spot on.
Agree. But that doesn't make the Canadian way better. [Which is really
what this discussion is about]
Note: Hospitals in both countries cannot turn away sick people. By law
they have to help them. [And if I was poor and had to choose, I would
go American]
You are simply proving that the American right's knowledge of
Canadian single
payer health care is limited to parroting propaganda, exaggeration,
distortions and fear mongering; along with avoiding your own problem
by
finger pointing.
With such limited knowledge, you look like a fool.
If that was true then you would have proven it.
I must say that it's a sad day when people like you are so invested in
a belief that any discussion of it sends you into a rage and you treat
it as if it's an attack on your person.
The U.S. government spends more per capita on health care
Because Americans use it more and get more out of it.
Yeah, right. Now you're not even making any sense.
Clearly if you compare services you will see Americans get more.
[Americans see more specialist, get more test, get better equipment
used on them...Basically they get better all around service]
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Isn't this Canada vs US thing beside the point? If
you're in America, that's the healthcare you get unless
you have enough money to find something better -- i.e.,
a *lot* of money. As the people who built this system
seem to have for themselves.
But for everyone else, the American healthcare system
identifies anyone who comes in the door as a mark; and
works the mark for maximum return. This is the money
part of a two-part system: the other part is several
TV medical shows where several young and dedicated people
live interesting lives while benefitting the ones
who come in the door and need help. It seems, this TV
image completely conceals the harsh reality the American
user faces. I think a good bit of wishful thinking
helps with this. The numbing haggle over details up
this thread, isn't what the topic calls for.
Titeotwawki -- mha [sci.med 2008 Jly 26] |
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Patriot Games
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: US For Profit, For Priviliged Health Care System Rates W |
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:43:27 -0400, Anonymous Infidel - the
anti-political talking head <messiah2999@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks to fat, greedy Republicans, 9 million children are denied critical
health care.
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Never happenned.
| Quote: | Republicans are too
preoccupied with killing children in other countries for oil and lining the
pockets of greedy military contractors to care about the welfare of children
at home.
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What are the Democrats in Congress doing about this?
| Quote: | Some 47 million U.S. residents have no health insurance,
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Wrong. That number includes at least 12 million criminal aliens.
| Quote: | Provide coverage for all children. To expand health coverage to the 8.7
million children in America who today lack health insurance,
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These children are their parent's responsibility. |
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nada
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: stop cross posting. |
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Jerry Okamura
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: US For Profit, For Priviliged Health Care System Rates W |
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"Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head"
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| Quote: | Thanks to fat, greedy Republicans, 9 million children are denied critical
health care. Bush and McCain hate our children and don't care about their
health. Over crowded hospitals, shortages of doctors and long line ups
plague our pitiful, run down and price gouging health care system as
anonymous clerks in ivory towers decide what kind of treatment you deserve
and whether you live or die. America's disgusting health care system
rates
60th in the world, behind dozens of third world dumps. Republicans are
too
preoccupied with killing children in other countries for oil and lining
the
pockets of greedy military contractors to care about the welfare of
children
at home.
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Which is the result of what? Perhaps it is because we created a system that
you support that resulted in the very things you are complaining about?
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Some 47 million U.S. residents have no health insurance, and the numbers
keep
growing. Because employers increasingly are moving in the direction of
providing Wal-Mart-style health coverage by shifting health care costs to
employees, America's workers struggle to pay higher premiums, deductibles
and
co-payments-if they can afford such coverage at all.
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Of that 47 million, how many are here illegally? Of that 47 million are
those with the money to pay for their own healthcare needs, out of their own
pocket? Of the children who are not insured, what percentage of them really
need health insurance? Of the children who are not insured, how many have
parents who are rich? |
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Praetor
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Fascism, Nazism and Conservatism |
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PJ O'Donovan <pjdnvn505@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Not only the Nobel Prize winning Hayek and followed recently by Jonah
Goldberg in his number one best selling book, "Liberal Fascism" but
still another renown scholar claims that Fascism really has a Left
Wing pedigree.
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Hmmm! The opinions of discredited partisan right wing conservative extremist
blow-hards like Goldberg and Farhat-Holzman plus a dubious and uncited claim
about Hayek posted by you, a known liar; versus historical fact.
Tough decision. Looks like you lose again.
We all know that right wingers are easily duped, you're just more proof.
Never underestimate the gullibility of the Conservative hive mindset.
Fascism, Nazism and Conservatism
European fascism drew on existing anti-modernist conservatism, and on
the conservative reaction to communism and 19th-century socialism.
Conservative thinkers such as historian Oswald Spengler provided much
of the world view (Weltanschauung) of the Nazi movement.
In Britain, the conservative Daily Mail enthusiastically backed Sir
Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists, and part of the Conservative
Party supported closer ties with Nazi Germany.
When defeat in World War II ideologically and historically
discredited fascism, almost all Western conservatives tried to distance
themselves from it. Nevertheless, many post-war Western conservatives
continued to admire the Franco regime in Spain, clearly conservative
but also fascist in origin. With the end of the Franco regime and
Portugal's Estado Novo in the 1970s, the relationship between
conservatism and classical European fascism was further weakened.
Militarism is perhaps the most striking similarity between Fascism and
contemporary American conservatism. Of course, there are many liberals
in America who support the military and even call for increased
military spending.
Even so, American liberals are traditionally more skeptical of the
military than American conservatives. It is often said that
Neoconservatives, like Hitler, see the military as a paradigm for
problem solving (even in situations that may render militarism
impractical or unethical).
The relationship of fascism to right-wing ideologies (including some
that are described as neo-fascist) is still an issue for conservatives
and their opponents. Especially in Germany, there is a constant
exchange of ideology and persons, between the influential national-
conservative movement, and self-identified national-socialist groups.
In Italy too, there is no clear line between conservatives, and
movements inspired by the Italian Fascism of the 1920s to 1940s,
including the Alleanza Nazionale which is member of the governing
coalition under premier Silvio Berlusconi. Conservative attitudes to
the 20th-century fascist regimes are still an issue.
Under an ideological definition of Socialism, for example one stating
that only a system adhering to the principles of Marxism can qualify as
socialist there is a well-defined gap between Nazism and socialism.
Nazi leaders were opposed to the Marxist idea of class conflict and
opposed the idea that capitalism should be abolished and that workers
should control the means of production. For those who consider class
conflict and the abolition of capitalism as essential components of
socialism, these factors alone are sufficient to categorize "National
Socialism" as non-socialist.
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For socialists who consider democracy a core tenet of socialism, Nazism is
often seen as a polar opposite of their views. Primo Levi argued that there
was
an important distinction between the policies of Nazi Germany and those of
the
Soviet Union or the People's Republic of China: while they were all arguably
totalitarian, and all had their idea of what kind of parasitic classes or
races
society ought to be rid of, Levi saw the Nazis assigning a place given by
birth
(since one is born into a certain race), while the Soviets and Chinese
determined their enemies according to their social position (which people may
change within their life). There are many other philosophical differences
between Nazism and Marxism.
There were ideological shades of opinion within the Nazi Party, particularly
before their seizure of power in 1933, but a central tenet of the party was
always the leader principle or Führerprinzip. The Nazi Party did not have
party
congresses in which policy was deliberated upon and concessions made to
different factions. What mattered most was what the leader, Adolf Hitler,
thought and decreed. Those who held opinions which were at variance with
Hitler's either learned to keep quiet or were purged, particularly after
1933.
This is compared to the behavior of certain Communist states such as that of
Stalin in the Soviet Union or Mao Zedong in China.
Critics of this view point out that Mussolini imprisoned Antonio Gramsci from
1926 until 1934, after Gramsci, a leader of the Italian Communist Party and
leading Marxist intellectual, tried to create a common front among the
political left and the workers, in order to resist and overthrow fascism.
Other
Italian Communist leaders like Palmiro Togliatti went into exile and fought
for
the Republic in Spain. |
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Lord Vetinari
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Fundy Right Wing Nutcases Westboro Baptist Church Plans |
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| Quote: | Lord Vetinari <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
65jaypee@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 7 Aug., 15:45, Jack <agamemnon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
August 7, 2008
'God is punishing Canada'
By ROB NAY
A fundamentalist church group from the U.S. has announced it plans to
picket the funeral of Tim McLean Jr. in Winnipeg, declaring, "God is
punishing Canada."
I'd love to see Canadians open fire on these moronicans.
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Canadians, shooting at people? That'd be something.
Perhaps as far as you are concerned, but most Americans are pig ignorant
and
know nothing of what goes on outside of their own borders unless their
troops
are overseas in some shit hole shooting at the locals.
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Is that based on verifiable facts, or are you making a groundless
assumption? The majority of humans appear to be, as you said, "pig
ignorant". America certainly has no monopoly there. |
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Eddie Haskell
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Another Corrupt Liberal Democrat Politician, Mayor Of De |
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| Quote: | Mike Laight <mklaight2005@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Sebastian Rector" <ciceroii@rogers.com> wrote in message
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|The Bush economy went bad only after the Democrats took over Congress.
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The economy went bad three months into the shrub presidency. For most of
the people and families the economy under this president and
administration
has been going downward ever since. Your real income is not as large as
it
was at the beginning of this presidency. Now please let us know how all
of
these things are the blame of the Democrats and not the republicants.
Mike
Bush is the borrow-and-spend, big government, crony capitalist President.
Fair and Balanced Fox News says that Democrats are to blame for all his
fuck
ups. Including the record 93 fillibusters by the obstructionist
Republicans
in Congress since 2006.
It's all about accountability. Democrats continue to resist being held
accountable for Republican obstructionism, Bush vetoes and Bush turning a
surplus into a $3 trillion debt, soaring gas prices and a worthless
dollar.
Democrats are clearly living in a land of fairy tales and Republican
finger
pointing and playing the blame game is the remedy for all of their
mistakes.
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And of course Obama with a democrat congress will spend less than McCain
with a democrat congress and gas is high so we shouldn't drill more.
Don't lie and tell us that you give a shit about these issues again.
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=141
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nada
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: ---------- |
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On Aug 18, 10:47 am, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Horatio Fudruckerton" <H...@aol.com> wrote in message
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bushlyed <bushl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The oil companies and the repugs just love people like you - they are
fucking you way up the butt and you are blaming Democrats
They toast you with their $500 champagne on their $5 million yatchs
and in their country clubs where YOU ARE NOT INVITED (only the money
they steal from you)
How many $billions have the Republicans stolen from the US taxpayer in
Iraq?
Do you have ANY evidence that they did ?
For all we know, it was lefties in the bureaucracies who did the dipping |
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SaPeIsMa
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: Another Corrupt Liberal Democrat Politician, Mayor Of De |
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"Horatio Fudruckerton" <HF1@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | bushlyed <bushlyed@yahoo.com> wrote:
The oil companies and the repugs just love people like you - they are
fucking you way up the butt and you are blaming Democrats
They toast you with their $500 champagne on their $5 million yatchs
and in their country clubs where YOU ARE NOT INVITED (only the money
they steal from you)
How many $billions have the Republicans stolen from the US taxpayer in
Iraq?
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Do you have ANY evidence that they did ?
For all we know, it was lefties in the bureaucracies who did the dipping |
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Mr. 7%
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Iran is almost ready to nuke the rest of the world |
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"Leftists = traitors" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Mr. 7% <noreply@noreply.com> wrote:
I'm a right winger but not a neo-con fraud like you lot.
Look it up.
Neocon government intelligence tells us that Iran is preparing to nuke the
rest of the world from their secret UFO bases on the Moon, so it's time to
rally behind our collective fear, go to bat for our Jewish masters and
support the Neocons.
Then we can begin exterminating the Marxists, Socialists, Communists,
Liberals, Democrats and all the other leftists. Then, and only then,
will
be finally be safe from the demon barbarians at the gate.
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Yes we always seem to be at "threat" of someone trying to nuke us, whether
it be Iraq, Iran or Syria.... by coincidence all enemies of Israel.
Heres an idea for the neo-con cunt stains out there... PACK YER BAGS AND GO
TO ISRAEL AND FIGHT YOUR OWN FUCKING WARS.
I personally couldn't give a fuck if Israel was "wiped off the map", because
Israel "wiped off the map" Palestine in 1948. Pay backs a bitch. |
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Charles Aulds
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:36:43 -0400, FACE <AFaceInTheCrowd@today.net>
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| Quote: | Winston Smith, American Patriot <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
Is the NY Times "liberal media"?
Here, Biden admits to academic dishonesty (plagiarism)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=
9B0DE3DB143FF93BA2575AC0A961948260
Conservative expert Jerome Corsi has just published a tell-all book on Biden
today that exposes him as a Satan worshiping, baby barbecuing, radical
Marxist leninist communist Islamofascist black supremacist.
It's already a smash best seller because the McCain camp bought all the
copies in advance and have shipped them to all registered voters by Fed ex.
The forward is written by Ann Coulter. McCain needs to ride the fabricated
wave of shrill, hysterical fear mongering all the way to election day because
his platform is as empty as outer space.
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*Groan* ... that book (and its author) have been totally discredited
.... where have YOU been ?
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Fellatio Drunkaton
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: That's because they didn't win the Olympics, Bush won th |
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On 25 Aug 2008, Earl wrote:
| Quote: | Proteus <proteus@ambiance.com> wrote:
I did not see any congratulations anywhere for American athletes over
winning of the 2008 Olympics.
That's because they didn't win the Olympics, Bush won the Olympics
because he's created a capitalist Utopia and the world is jealous, full
of envy.
Face it, the liberal controlled media hates our mighty capitalist war
president, despite how his very presence saves us from annihilation from
the vast arsenal of Iran's nuclear tipped super rockets.
My guess is that they are unlike you and I, and don't have pictures of
him adorning every wall in our basement apartments.
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Heee-yaw! Whackity..whackity.. |
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Fellatio Drunkaton
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: That's because they didn't win the Olympics, Bush won th |
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On 25 Aug 2008, Earl wrote:
| Quote: | Proteus <proteus@ambiance.com> wrote:
I did not see any congratulations anywhere for American athletes over
winning of the 2008 Olympics.
That's because they didn't win the Olympics, Bush won the Olympics
because he's created a capitalist Utopia and the world is jealous, full
of envy.
Face it, the liberal controlled media hates our mighty capitalist war
president, despite how his very presence saves us from annihilation from
the vast arsenal of Iran's nuclear tipped super rockets.
My guess is that they are unlike you and I, and don't have pictures of
him adorning every wall in our basement apartments.
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Heee-yaw! Whackity..whackity.. |
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Sebastian Rector
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Staunch Liberal Journalist, Montreal's John Moore Says S |
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On Sep 4, 6:45 pm, Taylor <Tay...@nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Moore's a Libertarian and he lives in Toronto, you ignorant, subhuman
imbecile.
Besides, you will be too drunk on election day to cast a vote.
You're not even a capitalist or a conservative, just a mentally ill old man
who has no job, no friends and only a bottle of whiskey for company.
I should at least get the chance to kick the piss out of feeble, uneducated
reprobates like you; considering how much of my tax money supports you.
Sebastian Rector <cicer...@rogers.com> wrote:
I was surprised to read a blog by Moore in the National Post saying
than PC leader Stephen Harper would "wipe the floor with Dion in any
TV debate. Moore as you may, or may not know, has a talk show on
Toronto's CFRB and occasionally writes op/eds in the National Post. He
was born in Montreal and is a life-long liberal.
He does not like Harper or the Red Tories but feels that the Liberal
Party is currently very divided with many members disappointed with
Dion's leadership. The fact that Dion can not really speak English is
also
a tremendous liability. But worst of all is his Al Gore/Kyoto type
anti-carbon tax that he wants to impose on long-suffering Canadians
who are already taxed to the hilt.
In today's National Post the consensus of their political writers
seems to be that Harper has now a big edge in Quebec, of all places.
The coming election is his for the taking.- Hide quoted text -
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You do not pay any taxes, moron, and liar, because like David Deilley
you have no income. |
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