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You are full of shit, Lamont Cranston.
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John Doe wrote:
"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc yahoo.com> wrote:
Reagan was the chief architect or the deregulation fervor
that has
gripped the nation for the past thirty years.
That includes Bill Clinton's two-term administration.
And in fact, it was Ronald Reagan who helped break up
AT&T. There is
a big difference between no regulation and efficient
government.
Back when Ronald Reagan was elected, the government was
bloated.
Reagan added to the bloat. National debt tripled under
Reagan. Under Carter, national debt as a percent of GDP hit
an all-time low. Reagan took care of that very quickly with
his voodoo economics. Federal spending increased 25% in
real dollars under Reagan
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston IShadow.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I remember the Reagan years very well.
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Then you are a liar.
| Quote: | The unemployment rate averaged 7.5%.
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Bullshit.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Ronald_Reagan
"During the Reagan presidency, the inflation rate dropped from 13.6
percent in 1980 (President Carter's final year in office) to 4.1
percent by 1988, the economy added 16,753,000 jobs and the
unemployment rate fell from 7.5 percent to 5.3 percent. In addition,
the poverty rate fell from 14 percent to 12.8 percent."
| Quote: | The damage done by Reagan will take years to repair.
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As anyone who knows how to use a search engine can tell,
Lamont Cranston, you are full of shit up to your eyebrows.
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On Nov 19, 2:42�pm, "Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Crans...@IShadow.com>
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"Sid9" <sid9 bellsouth.net> wrote:
The damage Reagan did lives on!
Says a zealot who is so partisan blind he doesn't even
have hindsight.
I remember the Reagan years very well. �The unemployment
rate averaged 7.5%. �Reagan raised taxes more times than any
president in history. �The deregulation movement that he
began started out with the savings and loan bailout. �It
continues today with a bailout that makes the S&L bailout
amount look like chump change. �The damage done by Reagan
will take years to repair.
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We had an eight year reprieve when President Clinton came in and
cleaned-up the enormous mess left by Reagan and H.W., and gave middle
class workers tax breaks. Clinton also repaired our damaged foreign
policy under Reagan and H.W.
Reagan could only get bit parts in B movies, then played a bit part as
one of the worst presidents of history who left us with an enormous
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:57:13 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid>
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| Quote: | On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:06:37 -0800, Tag Heuer <tagheuerblog@gmail.dot.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:34:36 GMT, John Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:09:23 -0800, Tag Heuer <tagheuerblog@gmail.dot.com> wrote:
Reagan Era Is Officially Dead
by Tag Heuer
Who could have seen it coming those years ago when then the Teflon®
President, Ronald Wilson Reagan was riding high and mighty leaving
behind a virtually indelible legacy that it would come to a horrible
squeal from the rank and file of his own beloved conservative
Republican party twenty years later, and as it is sanctimoniously
kicked to the curb by the American electorate - twice even - thus sent
into the howling political wilderness?
Reagan's so-called 11th Rule, in that, "Thou shalt not speak ill of
any fellow Republican," came to bear today when Senator Chuck Hagel
(R-Nebraska) stated, " ... We are educated by the great entertainers
like Rush Limbaugh ... You know, I wish Rush Limbaugh and others like
that would run for office ... They have so much to contribute and so
much leadership and they have an answer for everything. And they would
be elected overwhelmingly. The truth is, they try to rip everyone down
and make fools of everybody but they don't have any answers." But of
course there was never any love lost between the two since the
bellicose demagogue had disparagingly slighted him some time ago over
the Iraq War.
Was Reagan speaking in the context of clowns, chimps and buffoons as
well? More germane to the point is the fact that Limbaugh is indeed a
Republican (who like a deranged chameleon on Oxy contin flip-flops
from being a "commentator," a "doctor," a "professor," and just today
putting himself up there in the Main Stream Media™ itself by calling
himself an "anchorman," and of course, who over the years has been
credited for his party's victories from the "Contract on America™" and
to equal extent the soon failed Republican majority and rule of the
government at the turn of the century.
Reagan himself would be appalled at the sad and pathetic state of the
'Grand Old Perverted' party which ran a campaign of smear and lies in
the last election, and who himself was subject to the very same
repugnant campaign attacks and of which, through former GOP chair
Gaylord Parkinson, coined the famous 11th Reagan "Commandment."
On another front, and one which he touted in terms of "Peace through
strength," the pathetic state of the U.S. military, caught in two
quagmires and utter failures in foreign policy and of a "Bush
Doctrine," that did not come close to anything which would resemble
"The Gipper's" for use of a better term, tact (or was it strategy?) in
the use of our military forces and diplomacy is just as abhor able.
At least Reagan knew how not to go into a 'gun-fight with a knife,'
and in regard to the USMC Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon in '83.
Twenty-five years later the question over the military deployment in
Iraq is one left to the new incoming administration and
President-elect Barack Obama, and a Congress with a Democrat-held
majority ... The Republicans who have lost two elections in a row are
now exhibiting contrition in these days after the election and that
has even former Democrat, and political "Benedict Arnold," Sen. Joe
Lieberman breathing an apologetic sigh of relief that he wasn't
frog-marched "stripped of rank," and service to this nation in terms
of the Senate over his deleterious remarks and statements in support
of the losing Republican candidacy of the Palin-McCain ticket.
Thus the mass exodus, and possible Diaspora of the Republicans is now
what is being witnessed and in full swing, with the slight possiblity
of a Democratic filibuster-proof Senate; with it all the glory and
triumph of the past eight years, and up to 1994 when the Republican
Revolution™ began in Congress, and even further with the ascension of
Ronald Reagan from 1980-88 do we see the end of the beginning, and the
beginning of another era in American politics, and where the
late-President Reagan since has passed away, and his political party
becoming even that much more as America wakes from a nightmare and
with a long awaited inauguration approaching; and .
One might think the Reagan era was dead after two terms of Democrat
Bill Clinton. It's called "things happening over a quarter-century".
The problem is that Rush Limbaugh is a one-way media troll.
Republicans have them. Democrats have them. One-way media trolls
cover the entire territory. About six months from now, you'll have a
one-way media tearing the skin off of Barack Obama. You mean "among".
Some of them were. I guess that distinguishes a great leader.
Rush Limbaugh is a one-way media troll. Yeah. And then there is the
moral degenerate Democrats on the other hand. One of Ronald Reagan's
motives for not going after the bad guys is that he didn't want to kill
innocent civilians in the process. Obviously George Bush Jr doesn't feel
the same way. Bill Clinton didn't feel the same way. Let's see if Barack
Obama treats human life as a statistic, whether he thinks it's okay to kill
innocent people as long as we're going after a bad guy. Hopefully we won't
end up with another invasion, or an army tank bulldozing a structure that
has three dozen children inside. I will be pleasantly surprised if the Obama/Biden
administration doesn't continue the crusade to rid the world of evil men, and even
to add another crusade on top of that one (Joseph Biden's life's work, to liberate
all the world's women from their husbands). If Obama gets us out of Iraq in short
order and makes our stay in Afghanistan short too, that will be impressive.
Good luck.
Well, J.D. let's look at it this way, the slate is now clear and wiped
with the Republicans, and all this talk about how Reagan was the
impetus for any and all perceived or real success that the
GOP/Republican conservative party has had since his departure from
office in '88 is now moot. The days of citing and pointing to Reagan
and to some point in worship, of his affect on a party now wandering
aimlessly for leadership and direction in the proverbial 'wildneness,'
are now, as far as I can see, gone. After January 20th, 2009, as you
cited, the responsibility, leadership and direction of the country
will lay squarely with the Democrats in Congress, including
Republicans who would be so inclined to move the country forward, and
President Barack Obama - This is the mandate from the People of the
United States of America and the electorate, and what they do with
this will determine their success or failure in 2010, 2012 and beyond.
The Reagan-era of influence has now come to a close, and talk amongst
the conservative Republicans is now of how to glean such perceived
stature from their own stock of legislators and leaders, and of which
even AK Gov. Sarah Palin is presumably included. But with the
Begich-Stevens race pretty much decided and any Senate run for Palin
evaporated, the GOP will need to dig deeper and in "vetting" of the
next 'Ronald Reagan' be a much more thorough. Perhaps, Limbaugh,
Hannity, O'Reilly, and the rest of the howling conservative
Republican-meat-puppets and hyenas on radio and cable media may be a
more fitting choice.
Who knows? No one would've guessed that McCain and the G.O.P. would
foist a complete idiot to stand in as POTUS if something should happen
to him ... Not even the rank-and-file Republicans in Congress
themselves who were equally caught by surprise, yet in all
hilariousness bought this idea of having such an incompetent.
Nevertheless, be it 25-years or 35-years hence, the capstone of ALL
Republican political victories of the past, and in citation of Bonzo,
shall soon come to a fitting end with George W. Bush - And good
riddance.
Hope this helps.
As you apparently already know, Tag Heuer, we aren't coming to you.
And since you're here, you need to learn USENET formatting if you
expect anyone except trolls here to read/follow you.
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Don't look now, but you just did. And consider RFC 1036, and your own
manner of posting/follow-up formatting, because other than that you
are coming across as nothing but one.
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"I love being your president ... I cannot wait for tomorrow -- but
tonight, we've got some dancing to do." --- George W. Bush, on the eve
of inauguration, Washington DC - January 20, 2001
"But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." - George
W. Bush, summing up his first year in office, 3 months after the 9/11
attacks, Washington, D.C., December 20, 2001
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| Quote: | "Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston IShadow.com> wrote:
I remember the Reagan years very well.
Then you are a liar.
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Au contraire, mon moron, I suffered through them with all of
America.
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The unemployment rate averaged 7.5%.
Bullshit.
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Yeah, you're right. It actually averaged 7.71%.
| Quote: | http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Ronald_Reagan
"During the Reagan presidency, the inflation rate dropped
from 13.6
percent in 1980 (President Carter's final year in office)
to 4.1
percent by 1988, the economy added 16,753,000 jobs and the
unemployment rate fell from 7.5 percent to 5.3 percent.
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Of course, in between the 7.5 percent and 5.3 percent, it
went to almost 11% and stayed above 9% for 19 straight
months (and above 10% for 11 straight).
Go to the BLS website at
data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=
LNS14000000
or tinyurl.com/6rbva and enter 1981 thru 1988 and click go.
I calculated the Annual figures by adding the monthly ones
and dividing by 12.
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct
Nov Dec Annual
1981 7.5 7.4 7.4 7.2 7.5 7.5 7.2 7.4 7.6
7.9 8.3 8.5 8.24
1982 8.6 8.9 9.0 9.3 9.4 9.6 9.8 9.8 10.1 10.4
10.8 10.8 10.53
1983 10.4 10.4 10.3 10.2 10.1 10.1 9.4 9.5 9.2 8.8
8.5 8.3 9.60
1984 8.0 7.8 7.8 7.7 7.4 7.2 7.5 7.5 7.3
7.4 7.2 7.3 7.51
1985 7.3 7.2 7.2 7.3 7.2 7.4 7.4 7.1 7.1
7.1 7.0 7.0 7.19
1986 6.7 7.2 7.2 7.1 7.2 7.2 7.0 6.9 7.0
7.0 6.9 6.6 6.95
1987 6.6 6.6 6.6 6.3 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.0 5.9
6.0 5.8 5.7 6.17
1988 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.4 5.6 5.4 5.4 5.6 5.4
5.4 5.3 5.3 5.49
The sum of the annual figures is:
8.24+10.53+9.60+7.51+7.19+6.95+6.17+5.49 = 61.68
Divide by 8 years:
61.68/8 = 7.71
7.71% was the AVERAGE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE DURING THE REAGAN
YEARS. 7.71%!!!
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the poverty rate fell from 14 percent to 12.8 percent."
The damage done by Reagan will take years to repair.
As anyone who knows how to use a search engine can tell,
Lamont Cranston, you are full of shit up to your eyebrows.
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It's for damn sure that you *don't* know how to use a search
engine, JD. Additionally, you are little more than a tool
of the rightwing propaganda mill, a fucking liar, and an
imbecile. Thanks for playing. It's always fun to kick the
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You have yet to prove that, goober. In fact, the more you
post, the bigger the moron you display yourself to be.
You have yet to refute a single thing that I have said.
ROTFL!
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John Doe wrote:
"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc yahoo.com> wrote:
Reagan was the chief architect or the deregulation
fervor
that has
gripped the nation for the past thirty years.
That includes Bill Clinton's two-term administration.
And in fact, it was Ronald Reagan who helped break up
AT&T. There is
a big difference between no regulation and efficient
government.
Back when Ronald Reagan was elected, the government was
bloated.
Reagan added to the bloat. National debt tripled under
Reagan. Under Carter, national debt as a percent of GDP
hit
an all-time low. Reagan took care of that very quickly
with
his voodoo economics. Federal spending increased 25% in
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Lamont Cranston
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| Quote: | "Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@IShadow.com> wrote:
John Doe wrote:
About six months from now, you'll have a one-way media
tearing
the skin off of Barack Obama.
Highly doubtful.
That's the way it works here in the United States.
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Au contraire, little skippy, it doesn't.
| Quote: | I'm impressed that you have a computer and an Internet
connection,
Lamont Cranston. You even speak English. Now get a clue.
Try doing a
little research before babbling stuff you know nothing
about.
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I'm still waiting for you to refute even a single statement
of mine, you fucking clueless rightard 'bot. So far, all I
have heard from you are the same old tired rightwing talking
points that you probably picked up from some moron on the
radio. Maybe you should tell you daddy that you have been
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Lamont Cranston
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| Quote: | Too bad you are just a zealot, Sid9.
A little work and you could be a good troll.
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Failure to refute a single statement again? How
predictable.
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Tag Heuer <tagheuerblog gmail.dot.com> wrote:
Reagan Era Is Officially Dead
One might think the Reagan era was dead after
two terms of Democrat
Bill Clinton.
Who could have seen it coming ... twenty years
later,
It's called "things happening over a
quarter-century".
Senator Chuck Hagel (R-Nebraska) stated, " ...
We are educated by
the great entertainers like Rush Limbaugh ...
You know, I wish
Rush Limbaugh and others like that would run
for office ... They
have so much to contribute and so much
leadership and they have an
answer for everything. And they would be
elected overwhelmingly.
The truth is, they try to rip everyone down and
make fools of
everybody but they don't have any answers."
But of course there
was never any love lost between the two since
the bellicose
demagogue had disparagingly slighted him some
time ago over the
Iraq War.
The problem is that Rush Limbaugh is a one-way
media troll.
Republicans have them. Democrats have them.
One-way media trolls
cover the entire territory.
About six months from now, you'll have a one-way
media tearing the
skin off of Barack Obama.
Was Reagan speaking in the context of clowns,
chimps and buffoons
as well?
You mean "among". Some of them were. I guess
that distinguishes a
great leader.
More germane to the point is the fact that
Limbaugh is indeed a
Republican
Rush Limbaugh is a one-way media troll.
Reagan himself would be appalled at the sad and
pathetic state of
the 'Grand Old Perverted' party
Yeah. And then there is the moral degenerate
Democrats on the other
hand.
The moral degenerates around here are the
Republicans who spent and borrowed our nation into
a financial wreck while singing the praises of St
Ronnie.
HW Bush continued the same treasury raiding
policies driving us further into debt.
Then they harassed Clinton for eight years on
issues that nothing to do with his performance in
office as he restored fiscal sanity to our
government.
Last, they installed the incompetent, arrogant.
brainless bush,jr who has nearly finished off our
country.
61 days left......lets hope bush,jr and the
Republicans further damage can be limited. |
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Lamont Cranston
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: Opinion: Reagan Era Is Officially Dead |
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John Doe wrote:
| Quote: | Tag Heuer <tagheuerblog@gmail.dot.com> wrote:
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As you apparently already know, Tag Heuer, we aren't
coming to you.
And since you're here, you need to learn USENET formatting
if you
expect anyone except trolls here to read/follow you.
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OK, it's time for you to go to daddy and confess what you
have been doing, little Johnny. Maybe if you do that, he'll
forgive you. |
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RichTravsky
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: Who? Re: Opinion: Reagan Era Is Officially Dead |
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Tag Heuer wrote:
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Reagan Era Is Officially Dead
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It's been dead for years. Only old guard republicons still remember him. He means
nothing to the current generation. |
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V for Vendicar
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: Re: Opinion: Reagan Era Is Officially Dead |
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@CloudYourMind.com> wrote
| Quote: | 7.71% was the AVERAGE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE DURING THE REAGAN
YEARS. 7.71%!!!
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And that was <AFTER> reagan changed who he defined as employed, upping the
numbers artificially from the counting methods used by previous U.S.
presidents. |
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