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 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Keeping America FREE of Religious TYRANNY has Always Bee |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:53:43 +0100 (CET),
George Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> PARROTED:
| Quote: | "How did America go from Pilgrims seeking freedom to express
their Judeo-Christian beliefs to today’s discrimination against
those very beliefs in the name of tolerance? “Back Fired”
chronicles the history of this disturbing development now
rampant in our country."
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There's NOTHING disturbing about defending the very sep-
arationof church and state that i what led those folks to the New
World almost 300 years ago in the first place, and which has
been HIGHLY instrumental in keeping the country free of tyranny
ever since.
| Quote: | Do these headlines sound familiar?
Ten Commandments taken down.
Nativity Scenes banned
Christmas Carols stopped
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When displayed/done on PUBLIC land and in PUBLIC buildings,
they are tantamount to the ENDOREMENT of the Judeo-Christian
religion, and that is unconstitutional. When displayed on PRIVATE
land and buildings, NO one could ever oppose them. Even if pre-
sented in 1/10th of all private locations, it would be pretty much
impossible to be out of sight (or earshot) of several of them from
one moment to the next, in any populated area. So OBVIOUSLY,
the enforcement of the separation of church and state is doing
absolutely NO harm.
| Quote: | “Under God” removed from the Pledge
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It was never IN the Pledge for longer than it HAS been in it.
I remember when, as a school kid, I first started having to say
it that way, in 1954. It made the Pledge sound stilted and
awkward then, and still does to this day, to millions who
remember saying it in its original form for several years. AS a
very blatant endorsement of religion, it doesn't belong there.
Just as "In God We Trust" should never have been put onto the
currency and coins of this MULTI-cultural country. It does NOT
speak for 50 million Americans -- 17% of the population. And if
someone tries to claim that the majority rules, they need to
remember that when it comes to RIGHTS, the majority has OFTEN
been wrong. (E.g., the South prior to 1865 and 1965, regarding
slavery and segregation, respectively; society prior to women's
suffrage; California since 11-4-08, when it became "The BIGOTRY
State.")
It's not "prohibited," per se. People have ALWAYS been able
to pray silently and privately (as the Bible happens to direct), no
matter WHERE they are, and in the case of public and induced
praying, on ANY private land or building, and in any church. That
covers about 95% of possible venues. Imposing prayer in PUBLIC
venues is an obvious and uncalled-for endorsement of a religion.
| Quote: | Salvation Army defunded
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It IS a church, and as such is not eligible for PUBLIC funds.
But just like all other churches, there is NOTHING that keeps them
from being funded privately.
See the reasons WHY.
| Quote: | Bible called ‘hate speech"
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When wielded as a WEAPON against people's personal liberties,
that is ABUSIVE imposition of religion upon them. E.g., inciting
hatefulness and bigotry toward gays, even though in reality, the
sexual orientations are merely variations of NORMALCY, just like
handedness, race, and eye color. Just as inciting to riot is a
forbidden abuse of freedom of speech... and shouting "FIRE!" in
a crowded theater is -- SO should incitement to DISCRIMINATE be.
And many countries are very properly taking note of that.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
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Jeffrey Laventure
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:11:46 -0800, LiberalPatriot@xemaps.com wrote
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<6f8cd4a7-f830-4065-846a-e29677459709@f37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>):
| Quote: | On Nov 17, 6:04 pm, §tarkiller© <NoSpamSKS_SK...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Funny thing is they are the same people that will preach democracy and
talk about the will of the people. Guess they just means until they
don't agree with said democracy or the will of the people yes?
If you define democracy strictly as 51%, you don't understand a
constitutional democracy.
The constitution guarantees some rights even if the mob says you
shouldn't have them. Equal protection is one of those.
This isn't just for gays. It's for you too. What if, someday, 51% of
people vote that anti-gay people should be jailed for exercising their
free speech rights? Would THAT be OK with you?
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Let's be honest. This is not about equal rights but changing the definition
of marriage. Gays have always had the exact, same, no difference right to
marry as anyone else. What is now occurring is an attempt to alter the
meaning of marriage and thus create a new "right". If one changes the
definition of marriage then the door is open for another to follow and use
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Jeffrey Laventure
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Prop 8 Ca. |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:11:46 -0800, LiberalPatriot@xemaps.com wrote
(in article
<6f8cd4a7-f830-4065-846a-e29677459709@f37g2000pri.googlegroups.com>):
| Quote: | On Nov 17, 6:04 pm, §tarkiller© <NoSpamSKS_SK...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Funny thing is they are the same people that will preach democracy and
talk about the will of the people. Guess they just means until they
don't agree with said democracy or the will of the people yes?
If you define democracy strictly as 51%, you don't understand a
constitutional democracy.
The constitution guarantees some rights even if the mob says you
shouldn't have them. Equal protection is one of those.
This isn't just for gays. It's for you too. What if, someday, 51% of
people vote that anti-gay people should be jailed for exercising their
free speech rights? Would THAT be OK with you?
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Gays have the same right to marry as non gays. What is occurring now is an
attempt to create a new "right" not guarenteed under the Consitution and
being clouded on such. |
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Chris
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Joe the Plumber was a hoax |
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"* US *" wrote in message news:47v5i4l9np3qp4761f67q6j97kiri7di16@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:26:06 -0600, "Phil" <faas@mindspring.com> wrote:
* US *> wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:11:04 -0800, "DB" <DeeBee@netscape.net> wrote:
...my arrearages ...
Too bad you're too stupid to learn how to use a condom.
Even that won't help you when the government decides to force men to
You believe that the government forces men to avoid using birth control?
Paternity, and/or the avoidance thereof, is a man's responsibility.
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Sounds sexist to me. I'd sure like to know how it is a man's
"responsibility" to become a father.
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That remains no matter what unlikely discrepancies may occur on rare
occasion.
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Liberal Whisperer
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Republican Legacy: As nest eggs shrink, an end to retire |
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On Nov 19, 8:53 am, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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As nest eggs shrink, many defer retirement
For newly retired and nearly retired, market meltdown forces tough
choices
By John W. Schoen
Senior producer
msnbc.com
When Gary Laursen began working the transportation industry four
decades years ago, he had a pretty good idea of what it would take to
retire comfortably.
The 62-year-old former account executive for a trucking company, who
lives with his wife in Spokane, Wash., says he began setting aside a
piece of each paycheck the day he started working.
His careful planning paid off.
After retiring two years ago, he played golf, spent more time with his
three grown children and grandchildren and had enough socked away to
pay the bills.
“I felt like I had plenty to retire,” he said.
“We’re not a wealthy family by any chance. We’ve lived a lived a very
nice life, and our home is paid for and we don’t owe anybody any
money.”
But as the financial markets have ravaged retirees’ savings and
investments, Laursen has put his retirement on hold.
On top of a big hit to his retirement savings, his former employer
just eliminated health care coverage for Laursen and his wife.
So he’s gone back to work as a consultant, helping former clients with
shipping logistics.
“I either make more money doing what I’m doing and work longer, or I
spend everything I’ve got and let the system take care of me later,
which I don’t like,” he said.
And with the economy and financial markets showing little sign of
hitting bottom, it’s not at all clear when — or whether — Laursen will
be able to return to the retired life he worked 40 years to build.
“I’m 62,” he said.
“I don’t have time to build it back up. So I’m stuck.”
Millions of Americans are confronting the same stark reality after the
collapse of the stock market destroyed trillions of dollars of
retirement savings and forced those in or near retirement to make
serious adjustments to their plans.
For some, that has meant abandoning the idea of retirement altogether.
Jeanne Pecora, a single, 63-year-old paralegal in Virginia Beach, Va.,
is still working.
But she’s already having trouble making ends meet — let alone setting
aside more money to rebuild her battered retirement nest egg, which
she says lost 70 percent of its value in the past three months.
Her 6-year-old car spends more time in the repair shop these days.
To cut costs, she’s cut back on eating out for lunch or dinner by
making meals at home that she can stretch for two or three days with
leftovers.
She’s switched to cheaper Internet and cellphone services, and cut
back on snacks for her two dogs.
“I plan to keep working until I’m 70 if I’m still in good health, and
if no one pulls the plug on older employees,” she said.
“But I do not know what will happen if or when my health fails.”
For the millions of newly retired and nearly retired, the financial
market collapse couldn’t have come at a worse time.
Those who have watched their savings evaporate now face stark choices:
either cut back spending or put off retirement — or both.
Even before the market downturn picked up speed in September, some one
in five people had put off retirement, according to a survey by AARP.
More than six in 10 workers 45 and older said they were delaying
retirement and expected to work longer; nearly seven in 10 said
they’ll spend less once they reach retirement; according to the
survey.
About a quarter said they’re putting in more hours at work to try to
make ends meet.
“Their standard of living has been lowered,” said David Certner,
legislative policy director for AARP.
“They’re cutting back on their vacations and the number times they’re
going out to dinner, and other travel and entertainment and is lower.
So they’re in a tough spot.”
Though the recent economic turmoil has thrown the problem into sharper
focus, older workers have been losing ground to a secure retirement
for several decades.
During that period, American employers — with the help of changes in
the law and tax subsidies encouraging private retirement savings —
have shifted the burden of saving and managing investments to
individual workers.
But as companies turned away from providing traditional pension plans
that paid a “defined benefit” for life — typically a monthly check —
the growth in coverage by individual plans hasn't kept up.
Since 1992, there has been an overall drop in all retirement coverage,
according to a 2006 paper by Stephanie Costo, an economist with the
Bureau of Labor Statistics.
That drop in retirement coverage has been matched by a rise in the
number of older workers who remained in the work force later in life
for a variety of reasons.
It’s not clear whether people are working longer because they want to
or because they have to.
But after a steady decline, the retirement age has been rising over
the past few decades.
In 1985, some 15 percent of men and fewer than 8 percent of women
remained in the workforce after age 65, according to a paper by
Georgetown University demographics professor Murray Gendell.
By last year, 34 percent of men and 26 percent of women had a job or
were looking for work.
The same pattern holds for workers 70 and older.
Employers offering traditional defined-benefit plans also have moved
to shift risk to their employees by expanding the option of lump-sum
payments — which removes the cost of retiree benefits from their
books.
In 1992, only 13 percent of employers offered lump-sum payment
options; by 2005 nearly half of employers were doing so.
But while many older workers who had expected to retire now find they
need to keep earning a paycheck to survive, it’s getting harder to do
so.
The national unemployment rate jumped to 6.5 percent last month from
4.8 percent a year ago.
The rate is lower among older workers, but joblessness is rising among
every age group.
Retirees have suffered through market downturns before.
The conventional wisdom from most financial retirement advisors was
that investing in stocks would help offset the corrosive impact of
inflation on fixed-income savings like bonds.
Like many retirees, Pecora, the paralegal, avoided selling her stocks
because past market downturns have eventually reversed course.
“The last time (my retirement fund) fell that far was on Sept. 11,
2001, but I eventually got it all back by September 2007,” she said.
“Now it's gone again.”
Given the scope and breadth of the turmoil in the global financial
markets, it’s not at all clear how long it will take for investors
like Pecora to recoup their savings.
That’s why financial advisers have long recommended a gradual
investment shift, in the decade or so before you plan to retire,
moving money out of riskier stocks into safer investments like money
markets or bonds.
Investment firms catering to small investors have developed
specialized "life cycle" funds, tailored to age and expected
retirement date, that gradually shift assets to avoid the risk that
stock holdings will plummet shortly before a planned retirement date.
But the traditional advice became more difficult to follow in the past
decade.
Historically low interest rates meant that returns on safer,
fixed-income investments have barely kept up with inflation, and in
some cases have fallen behind.
So many older investors accepted more risk in the stock market.
“With some of the low returns on bonds, it’s not as if people had a
lot good options,” said Certner.
Certner says some retirees are also finding out the hard way the
dangers of investing too much of their 401(k) savings in their own
company’s stock.
When their employer hits hard times, they face a double risk:
Their company stock may go down sharply just at the moment when they
are facing a layoff.
(Certner and many financial advisers recommend that employees keep no
more than 10 percent of their savings in their own company's stock.)
It remains to be seen whether the current collapse of millions of
individual retirement plans prompts changes in the
government-subsidized, individual retirement system that has become
the primary safety net for most Americans.
Among the proposals under consideration are moves to increase
participation by making individual retirement plans “automatic” and to
provide incentives or requirements that expand the number of employers
who offer company-sponsored plans and make contributions.
But the problem didn’t arise overnight, and it won’t be solved
quickly.
In the meantime, those who are near or in retirement have been left to
cope as best they can until the economy and financial system can get
back on its feet.
“It’s been a nice ride,” said Laursen.
“But I think we all knew that something was going to happen
eventually.
Like many msnbc.com readers, Laursen admits to some resentment that,
having played by the rules and managed his money wisely, he’s caught
in a predicament that wasn’t of his own making.
“I am very upset that I managed my money, bought only what I could
afford, only to be penalized for making wise choices,” he said.
“While others bought when they should not have, spent well above their
income and now get bailed out, I am left wondering about survival.”
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Who needs a stinking"nest egg" Hairy?? I don't need no stinking nest
egg. The Messiah has promised to "spread the wealth" !!!! The Messiah
has promised to pay my mortgage,fill my gas tank,pay reparations,and
punish BIG OIL and the EVIL rich white man. Hell, I've already been to
the dentist and ordered my new gold/rhinestone grilles. KOOMBAYAHH !!
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Tom Sr.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Kansas Preacher Pushes Obama Muslim Message. |
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On Nov 18, 2:10 pm, Clay <clays0nl...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 18, 2:07 pm, Bill Steele wrote:
Doesn't anyone know that "Allah" simply means "God?"
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Some choose to remain willfully-ignorant of this fact.
Here is, sadly, one somewhat typical thread where you can find Patriot
Games (a.k.a. Bob Milby Jr. of Florida) and Harold Burton claiming
that "Allah is Satan".
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/browse_thread/thread/42ab95f158070ed1/f528466433751d79?hl=en&q=allah+satan+arabic+%22patriot+games%22+%22tom+sr.%22&lnk=ol&
Subject: "Allah" is the Arabic word for "God"
| Quote: | That's a great point. It's why I found and posted the
clown's name & URL.
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/b9b8df09b7b47c11?hl=en
On Mar 13 2007, 11:34 am, "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mar 13, 9:47 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
Wrong.
God is God.
Allah is Satan.
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BZZZ! Why the fuck did you bother playing, you
racist Republican idiot?
The Arabic word for "God" is "Allah".
The Arabic word for "Satan" is "Shaitan".
NOT. THE. SAME. THING.
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/f432eac5117246ba?hl=en
On Mar 13 2007, 1:14 pm, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote...
On Mar 5, 10:14 pm, "American Jesus" <z...@netscape.net> wrote:
Just a reminder to rightwingers who think that the Christian god and
the Muslim god are two different things. They aren't. You worship
the same god as Muslims, and that's a fact. Choke on it.
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I think it shows the sheer depth of stupidity and the ultimate
hypocrisy of religious fundamentalists, both Muslim and Christian,
when both *claim* that God/Allah is on "OUR SIDE" in a war.
If there is a Hell, I think they will all burn in it.
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Shut your cock-hole you Atheist piece of shit Nigger.
There is a Hell and you will spend eternity there with the Devil's cock
buried in your ass - along with the rest of your Athiest homo-pals and
Muslim friends.
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Ah, Milby Jr., that was a year and a half and even now you still
refuse to understand "Allah" means "God" in Arabic -- and you are also
still blatantly obsessive with male homosexual sex.
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Liberal Whisperer
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Coward miomyo STILL running away Re: Guilty as Charged!! |
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On Nov 19, 10:17 am, RichTravsky <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
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MioMyo wrote:
"blue_collar_worker" <god...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
stubb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Guilty as Charged!!!! Palins found to have abused her Authority!!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/?GT1-43001
Well folks... there you have it!!! If the charges fit you must not
aquit!!!!
You are lieing. Palin was neveer charged with anything. It was an
investigation.
Furthermore, this Trooper-gate nonsense has already been shown to be nothing
more than a partisan witch hunt. Does anyone in their right mind really
How is it partisan?
STILL no answer.
The investigation was authorized in late July.
http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165?
07/28/2008
Lawmakers will hire someone within a week to investigate whether Governor
Sarah Palin abused her power in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt
Monegan. The legislative council approved 100,000 dollars for the
investigation that will find out whether Palin was angry at Monegan for not
firing an Alaska State Trooper who went through a messy divorce with Palin's
sister.
On Monday afternoon, the Joint Legislative Council, filled with Republicans
and Democrats, voted 12 to 0 to formally call for an investigation against
Governor Palin in a manner—that they are stressing—will be unbiased and done
in a timely fashion.
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The JLC is overwhelming republicon:
http://www.cleveland.com/election/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/isele/1...
Saturday, October 11, 2008
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The 14-member panel is made up of 10 Republicans and four Democrats. Two of
the Republicans were absent for Friday's vote to release the report.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Republicans continue their frantic attempt to destroy ou |
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On Nov 19, 7:39 am, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | From The Washington Post, 11/19/08:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR200...
EPA Moves to Ease Air Rules for Parks
Regional Administrators Decry Decision
By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 19, 2008; Page A06
The Environmental Protection Agency is finalizing new air-quality
rules that would make it easier to build coal-fired power plants, oil
refineries and other major polluters near national parks and
wilderness areas, even though half of the EPA's 10 regional
administrators formally dissented from the decision and four others
criticized the move in writing.
Documents obtained by The Washington Post show that the
administration's push to weaken Clean Air Act protections for "Class 1
areas" nationwide has sparked fierce resistance from senior agency
officials.
All but two of the regional administrators objecting to the proposed
rule are political appointees.
The proposal would change the practice of measuring pollution levels
near national parks, which is currently done over three-hour and
24-hour increments to capture emission spikes during periods of peak
energy demand; instead, the levels would be averaged over a year.
Under this system, spikes in pollution would no longer violate the
law.
In written submissions, EPA regional administrators have argued that
this switch would undermine critical air-quality protections for parks
such as Virginia's Shenandoah, which is frequently plagued by smog and
poor visibility.
EPA Region 4 Administrator J. I. Palmer Jr., whose office oversees the
Southeast, wrote that the new formula "would reduce consistency,
accuracy and public review" and "could allow greater deterioration of
air quality in clean areas rather than preventing significant
deterioration."
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Republicans don't seem to care much about our national parks, do they
Harry
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Yes, GOP has a rotten record re: environment. But the Dems and some
GOP'ers
lack the courage to tackle immigration and it's resultant population
explosion.
Population is the ultimate threat to the evironment.
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Ubiquitous
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Great Orators of the Democratic Party |
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• "One man with courage makes a majority."--attributed to Andrew Jackson
• "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."--Franklin D. Roosevelt
• "The buck stops here."--Harry S. Truman
• "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your
country."--John F. Kennedy
• "This session of the Senate should not be called a lame duck. We should
neither be lame nor should we duck the big issue facing our country."
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Douglas Berry
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: HOORAY!!!! Obama WINS! Democrats Sweep Congress!! WONDRO |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:24:11 -0600 duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> carved
the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
| Quote: | On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:11:13 GMT, Douglas Berry
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:16:29 -0600 duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> carved
the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism
..which is just another superstition created by those who are insecure
and unable to think for themselves.
That's exactly what A&E said - they were thinking for themselves and told "no,
we'll decide right v wrong and not you".
That has to be the most spectacular misinterpitation of Genesis 3
Ihave ever seen. Seriously, do you even own a Bible?
Yes, I do, and misinterpretation is not an issue. A bible can only be
translated, not interpretation, or it brings the interpreter's views into the
picture.
God said "no", Eve said "we'll decide right v wrong, and not you".
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Actually, the serpent told them that God had lied to them (which he
had, seeing as Adam went on to live for another few centuries after
eating from the tree.)
Now, cite the verse where it is stated clearly that A&E said "we make
the rules, screw you" to God, or any place where it is stated that the
were unrepentant.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
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President Soetoro
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On Oct 11, 10:29 am, "robw" <noddy...@comcast.net> wrote:
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You don't think wobbie da wobot.! That's because you need a logic
upgrade to Republican 2.0! |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: People already fighting for tickets to the Obama inaugur |
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On Nov 19, 2:38 pm, haterofneoc...@yahoo.com wrote:
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The nasty nazi/fascist/commie tinfoil hatted neocons need not apply!
There is talk the Mall might be opened up, in recognition of the very
popular Obama.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Joe the Plumber was a hoax |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:29:29 -0800, "Chris" <reddd@juno.com> wrote:
Those voices in your head are lying to you.
Men are responsible for paternity. If they
want it, they can have it. If they don't want
it, it's on them to prevent it.
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You'd have to start using your brain.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:26:06 -0600, "Phil" <faas@mindspring.com> wrote:
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:11:04 -0800, "DB" <DeeBee@netscape.net> wrote:
...my arrearages ...
Too bad you're too stupid to learn how to use a condom.
Even that won't help you when the government decides to force men to
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You believe that the government forces men to avoid using birth control?
Paternity, and/or the avoidance thereof, is a man's responsibility.
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RichTravsky
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Coward miomyo STILL running away Re: Guilty as Charged!! |
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RichTravsky wrote:
| Quote: | MioMyo wrote:
"blue_collar_worker" <godert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
stubblef@gmail.com> wrote in message
Guilty as Charged!!!! Palins found to have abused her Authority!!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/?GT1-43001
Well folks... there you have it!!! If the charges fit you must not
aquit!!!!
You are lieing. Palin was neveer charged with anything. It was an
investigation.
Furthermore, this Trooper-gate nonsense has already been shown to be nothing
more than a partisan witch hunt. Does anyone in their right mind really
How is it partisan?
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STILL no answer.
| Quote: | The investigation was authorized in late July.
http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165?
07/28/2008
Lawmakers will hire someone within a week to investigate whether Governor
Sarah Palin abused her power in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt
Monegan. The legislative council approved 100,000 dollars for the
investigation that will find out whether Palin was angry at Monegan for not
firing an Alaska State Trooper who went through a messy divorce with Palin's
sister.
On Monday afternoon, the Joint Legislative Council, filled with Republicans
and Democrats, voted 12 to 0 to formally call for an investigation against
Governor Palin in a manner—that they are stressing—will be unbiased and done
in a timely fashion.
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The JLC is overwhelming republicon:
http://www.cleveland.com/election/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/isele/122373540724830.xml&coll=2
Saturday, October 11, 2008
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The 14-member panel is made up of 10 Republicans and four Democrats. Two of
the Republicans were absent for Friday's vote to release the report.
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RichTravsky
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Coward miomyo STILL running away Re: Guilty as Charged!! |
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RichTravsky wrote:
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MioMyo wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" <Noemail@comcast.com> wrote in message
"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in
"blue_collar_worker" <godert@hotmail.com> wrote in message
stubblef@gmail.com> wrote in message
Guilty as Charged!!!! Palins found to have abused her Authority!!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/?GT1-43001
Well folks... there you have it!!! If the charges fit you must not
aquit!!!!
You are lieing. Palin was neveer charged with anything. It was an
investigation.
Furthermore, this Trooper-gate nonsense has already been shown to be
nothing more than a partisan witch hunt.
A Republican-dominated committee appointed by a
Republican-dominated legislature to investigate a
Republican governor is "partisan"?
Your Proof of this charge is Nothing as usual......
Where's YOUR proof otherwise?
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STILL no answer.
| Quote: | The investigation was authorized in late July.
http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165?
07/28/2008
Lawmakers will hire someone within a week to investigate whether Governor
Sarah Palin abused her power in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt
Monegan. The legislative council approved 100,000 dollars for the
investigation that will find out whether Palin was angry at Monegan for not
firing an Alaska State Trooper who went through a messy divorce with Palin's
sister.
On Monday afternoon, the Joint Legislative Council, filled with Republicans
and Democrats, voted 12 to 0 to formally call for an investigation against
Governor Palin in a manner—that they are stressing—will be unbiased and done
in a timely fashion.
...
The JLC is overwhelming republicon:
http://www.cleveland.com/election/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/isele/122373540724830.xml&coll=2
Saturday, October 11, 2008
...
The 14-member panel is made up of 10 Republicans and four Democrats. Two of
the Republicans were absent for Friday's vote to release the report.
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