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The Atomic Brain
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 Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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"Middle Class Warrior" <eelder1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Gandalf Grey wrote:
Published on Thursday, November 13, 2008 by The Huffington Post
Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 2009
by Josh Silver
Ask just about any public interest advocate concerned about the dismal
state
of media and journalism, and they will tell you that Obama's media policy
platform is excellent: the beginning of what could be the most public
interest friendly administration in presidential history. Part of this
optimism stems from Obama's understanding that Internet and technology
are
the cornerstone of a 21st century economy and society. Another part comes
from the competence and integrity of the media and telecom advisors
working
on his transition team. And another comes from his direct experience.
This is a great article that makes several cogent points. I would also
like to see the Fairness Doctrine reinstated. This would curtail some of
the right wing demagoguery on Talk Radio.
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What bothered me more about the fairness act's demise by Reagan was it
allowed huge corporations to suck up thousands of ma & pa stations and dump
their brand on America, totally, like Clearchannel. |
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The Atomic Brain
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Not really. The fairness doctrine does not in any way prevent the right
wing
from speaking or having their own shows. All it does is offer opposing
views
on the licensed public air.. It expands freedom of speech it does not
reduce
it. Of course, Limbaugh, Hannity and other right wingers oppose it. They
believe in "freedom of speech" as long as it is THEIR speech. but the
vehemently oppose anybody countering their views or challenging them.
Ownership also has to be broken up so that other broadcasters have an
opportunity to access the public air. Its ludicrous for one company to own
1600 radio stations.
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And this is necessary if we are to continue to be a Democracy or a
Theocracy. |
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The Atomic Brain
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:27 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@IShadow.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Firelock wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:36 am, Middle Class Warrior <eeld...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gandalf Grey wrote:
Published on Thursday, November 13, 2008 by The Huffington Post
Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 2009
by Josh Silver
Ask just about any public interest advocate concerned about the
dismal state of media and journalism, and they will tell you that
Obama's media policy platform is excellent: the beginning of what
could be the most public interest friendly administration in
presidential history. Part of this optimism stems from Obama's
understanding that Internet and technology are the cornerstone of
a 21st century economy and society. Another part comes from the
competence and integrity of the media and telecom advisors
working on his transition team. And another comes from his direct
experience.
This is a great article that makes several cogent points. I would
also like to see the Fairness Doctrine reinstated. This would
curtail some of the right wing demagoguery on Talk Radio.
Because as we all know, the fairest thing to do is to quash
the voices of those you disagree with.
That is what is currently being done by the rightwing bobbleheads. The
Fairness Doctrine wouldn't quash anything -- it would allow both sides of
issues to be presented.
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Another problem was the LPFM Act in 2003 which allowed the 'little' people
Low powered localized radio stations. Almost immediately thousands of new
licensees were selling their cheap stations to religious fanatics for
thousands of dollars with instructions on how to raise the low power with an
FCC construction permit.
We had a low power tv station pop up on channel 26 and would run movies
24/7.
Two years later it was "bankrupt" and within months some craxkpot from
Oklahoma sucked it up. Now it's called "Family TV" and it's nothing but
garbage. |
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Middle Class Warrior
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
| Quote: | Published on Thursday, November 13, 2008 by The Huffington Post
Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 2009
by Josh Silver
Ask just about any public interest advocate concerned about the dismal state
of media and journalism, and they will tell you that Obama's media policy
platform is excellent: the beginning of what could be the most public
interest friendly administration in presidential history. Part of this
optimism stems from Obama's understanding that Internet and technology are
the cornerstone of a 21st century economy and society. Another part comes
from the competence and integrity of the media and telecom advisors working
on his transition team. And another comes from his direct experience.
This is a great article that makes several cogent points. I would also |
like to see the Fairness Doctrine reinstated. This would curtail some of
the right wing demagoguery on Talk Radio. |
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Middle Class Warrior
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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ZNUYBV wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 13, 10:36 pm, Middle Class Warrior <eeld...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gandalf Grey wrote:
Published on Thursday, November 13, 2008 by The Huffington Post
Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 2009
by Josh Silver
Ask just about any public interest advocate concerned about the dismal state
of media and journalism, and they will tell you that Obama's media policy
platform is excellent: the beginning of what could be the most public
interest friendly administration in presidential history. Part of this
optimism stems from Obama's understanding that Internet and technology are
the cornerstone of a 21st century economy and society. Another part comes
from the competence and integrity of the media and telecom advisors working
on his transition team. And another comes from his direct experience.
This is a great article that makes several cogent points. I would also
like to see the Fairness Doctrine reinstated. This would curtail some of
the right wing demagoguery on Talk Radio.
If the fairness doctrine is reinstated truth will be the first
casualty.
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Prove your premise. Otherwise, all you have is an opinion. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Gandalf Grey sucks dick! |
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"Gandalf Grey" <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Firelock
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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On Nov 13, 3:31 pm, "Roy Blankenship" <pointbla...@earthlink.net>
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| Quote: | "Firelock" <firelock...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 14, 1:36 am, Middle Class Warrior <eeld...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gandalf Grey wrote:
Published on Thursday, November 13, 2008 by The Huffington Post
Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 2009
by Josh Silver
Ask just about any public interest advocate concerned about the dismal
state
of media and journalism, and they will tell you that Obama's media
policy
platform is excellent: the beginning of what could be the most public
interest friendly administration in presidential history. Part of this
optimism stems from Obama's understanding that Internet and technology
are
the cornerstone of a 21st century economy and society. Another part
comes
from the competence and integrity of the media and telecom advisors
working
on his transition team. And another comes from his direct experience.
This is a great article that makes several cogent points. I would also
like to see the Fairness Doctrine reinstated. This would curtail some of
the right wing demagoguery on Talk Radio.
Because as we all know, the fairest thing to do is to quash
the voices of those you disagree with.
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Walt
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Please explain to the class how presenting the other side of an issue will
"quash the voices of those you disagree with". Maybe you are afraid people
will say, "Oh, I see. So Rush wasn't really giving us the whole story, that
makes more sense now."
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It's a bit more complex than that.
Let's say I own a radio station, and you get the "Fairness
Doctrine" reinstated. Now, every time I air something
even slightly controversial, I have to worry about being
fined unless I give free air time to an opposing view.
And what if there isn't anyone available to give an
opposing view, or you listen to the opposing view
I presented and decide it isn't oppositional enough?
What will happen is that radio station owners will
decline to air things that upset you...which I'm sure
you're fine with, what with the mainstream media
acting as the 24/7 volunteer PR department for
your heroes.
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Firelock
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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On Nov 13, 4:05 pm, "Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Crans...@IShadow.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Firelock wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:36 am, Middle Class Warrior
eeld...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gandalf Grey wrote:
Published on Thursday, November 13, 2008 by The
Huffington Post
Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in
2009
by Josh Silver
Ask just about any public interest advocate concerned
about the
dismal state of media and journalism, and they will
tell you that
Obama's media policy platform is excellent: the
beginning of what
could be the most public interest friendly
administration in
presidential history. Part of this optimism stems from
Obama's
understanding that Internet and technology are the
cornerstone of
a 21st century economy and society. Another part comes
from the
competence and integrity of the media and telecom
advisors
working on his transition team. And another comes from
his direct
experience.
This is a great article that makes several cogent
points. I would
also like to see the Fairness Doctrine reinstated. This
would
curtail some of the right wing demagoguery on Talk
Radio.
Because as we all know, the fairest thing to do is to
quash
the voices of those you disagree with.
That is what is currently being done by the rightwing
bobbleheads.
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Are you seriously deluded enough to think that the left's
message isn't being broadcast loud and clear every day
of the week?
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Walt |
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Firelock
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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On Nov 13, 4:27 pm, "The Atomic Brain" <a...@whdc.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Crans...@IShadow.com> wrote in message
news:gfi4o0$tjp$1@news.datemas.de...
Firelock wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:36 am, Middle Class Warrior <eeld...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gandalf Grey wrote:
Published on Thursday, November 13, 2008 by The Huffington Post
Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 2009
by Josh Silver
Ask just about any public interest advocate concerned about the
dismal state of media and journalism, and they will tell you that
Obama's media policy platform is excellent: the beginning of what
could be the most public interest friendly administration in
presidential history. Part of this optimism stems from Obama's
understanding that Internet and technology are the cornerstone of
a 21st century economy and society. Another part comes from the
competence and integrity of the media and telecom advisors
working on his transition team. And another comes from his direct
experience.
This is a great article that makes several cogent points. I would
also like to see the Fairness Doctrine reinstated. This would
curtail some of the right wing demagoguery on Talk Radio.
Because as we all know, the fairest thing to do is to quash
the voices of those you disagree with.
That is what is currently being done by the rightwing bobbleheads. The
Fairness Doctrine wouldn't quash anything -- it would allow both sides of
issues to be presented.
Another problem was the LPFM Act in 2003 which allowed the 'little' people
Low powered localized radio stations. Almost immediately thousands of new
licensees were selling their cheap stations to religious fanatics for
thousands of dollars with instructions on how to raise the low power with an
FCC construction permit.
We had a low power tv station pop up on channel 26 and would run movies
24/7.
Two years later it was "bankrupt" and within months some craxkpot from
Oklahoma sucked it up. Now it's called "Family TV" and it's nothing but
garbage.
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I think if you look closely at your television set, you'll
see controls that allow you to choose channels other
than 26. If enough people do so, then what you see
as their "garbage" will go off the air and someone else
will try something else on that channel. If it doesn't
go off the air because you didn't watch it, then maybe
that means some of your fellow citizens want to watch
it.
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Lamont Cranston
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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Firelock wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 13, 4:27 pm, "The Atomic Brain" <a...@whdc.net
wrote:
"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Crans...@IShadow.com> wrote in
message
news:gfi4o0$tjp$1@news.datemas.de...
Firelock wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:36 am, Middle Class Warrior
eeld...@gmail.com
wrote:
Gandalf Grey wrote:
Published on Thursday, November 13, 2008 by The
Huffington
Post
Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at
Media in 2009
by Josh Silver
Ask just about any public interest advocate
concerned about
the dismal state of media and journalism, and
they will tell
you that Obama's media policy platform is
excellent: the
beginning of what could be the most public
interest friendly
administration in presidential history. Part of
this
optimism stems from Obama's understanding that
Internet and
technology are the cornerstone of a 21st century
economy and
society. Another part comes from the competence
and
integrity of the media and telecom advisors
working on his
transition team. And another comes from his
direct
experience.
This is a great article that makes several cogent
points. I
would also like to see the Fairness Doctrine
reinstated. This
would curtail some of the right wing demagoguery on
Talk Radio.
Because as we all know, the fairest thing to do is to
quash
the voices of those you disagree with.
That is what is currently being done by the rightwing
bobbleheads. The Fairness Doctrine wouldn't quash
anything -- it
would allow both sides of issues to be presented.
Another problem was the LPFM Act in 2003 which allowed
the 'little'
people Low powered localized radio stations. Almost
immediately
thousands of new licensees were selling their cheap
stations to
religious fanatics for thousands of dollars with
instructions on
how to raise the low power with an FCC construction
permit.
We had a low power tv station pop up on channel 26 and
would run
movies 24/7.
Two years later it was "bankrupt" and within months some
craxkpot
from Oklahoma sucked it up. Now it's called "Family TV"
and it's
nothing but garbage.
I think if you look closely at your television set, you'll
see controls that allow you to choose channels other
than 26.
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That's not the issue. The issue is that a channel that he
watched was replaced by one that he doesn't watch. His
choices have been reduced.
| Quote: | If enough people do so, then what you see
as their "garbage" will go off the air and someone else
will try something else on that channel. If it doesn't
go off the air because you didn't watch it, then maybe
that means some of your fellow citizens want to watch
it.
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Wrong. Channels backed by wealthy religious organizations
remain forever, no matter who does or does not watch them. |
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Lamont Cranston
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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Firelock wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 13, 4:05 pm, "Lamont Cranston"
Lamont.Crans...@IShadow.com
wrote:
Firelock wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:36 am, Middle Class Warrior
eeld...@gmail.com> wrote:
Gandalf Grey wrote:
Published on Thursday, November 13, 2008 by The
Huffington Post
Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media
in
2009
by Josh Silver
Ask just about any public interest advocate
concerned
about the
dismal state of media and journalism, and they
will
tell you that
Obama's media policy platform is excellent: the
beginning of what
could be the most public interest friendly
administration in
presidential history. Part of this optimism stems
from
Obama's
understanding that Internet and technology are the
cornerstone of
a 21st century economy and society. Another part
comes
from the
competence and integrity of the media and telecom
advisors
working on his transition team. And another comes
from
his direct
experience.
This is a great article that makes several cogent
points. I would
also like to see the Fairness Doctrine reinstated.
This
would
curtail some of the right wing demagoguery on Talk
Radio.
Because as we all know, the fairest thing to do is to
quash
the voices of those you disagree with.
That is what is currently being done by the rightwing
bobbleheads.
Are you seriously deluded enough to think that the left's
message isn't being broadcast loud and clear every day
of the week?
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Are you seriously deluded enough to think that the right's
message isn't being broadcast at a level of at least ten
times that of the left? Are you seriously deluded enough to
think that the left has enough air time to refute the lies
being broadcast by the right? |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: akin to the old sideshows at |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:15:42 -0800 (PST), "Kickin' Ass & Takin' Names"
<PopUlist349@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 13, 2:12 pm, ZNUYBV <tjwilson6...@gmail.com> wrote:
If the fairness doctrine is reinstated truth will be the first
casualty.-
Well, not exactly. If the fairness doctrine is enforced, at last the
truth will have equal time with the lies that we have been subjected
to for the past 20 years.
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Give it a rest. Keep all the Righties in one place - AM radio. It's
patently ridiculous to try and balance off each and every program with
one of opposing views. Talk radio is entertainment aimed at the lowest
percentile of the American populace and culture - the ignorant right.
It's akin to the old sideshows at Ringling's Circus. Many of us stop,
listen, laugh, and change stations. These 'wight wing wobots' are
telling, "tales told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:15:42 -0800 (PST), "Kickin' Ass & Takin' Names"
<PopUlist349@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 13, 2:12 pm, ZNUYBV <tjwilson6...@gmail.com> wrote:
If the fairness doctrine is reinstated truth will be the first
casualty.-
Well, not exactly. If the fairness doctrine is enforced, at last the
truth will have equal time with the lies that we have been subjected
to for the past 20 years.
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Give it a rest. Keep all the Righties in one place - AM radio. It's
patently ridiculous to try and balance off each and every program with
one of opposing views. Talk radio is entertainment aimed at the lowest
percentile of the American populace and culture - the ignorant right.
It's akin to the old sideshows at Ringling's Circus. Many of us stop,
listen, laugh, and change stations. These 'wight wing wobots' are
telling, "tales told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying
nothing."
WB Yeats |
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Balanced View
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News: A Look at Media in 20 |
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Firelock wrote:
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It's a bit more complex than that.
Let's say I own a radio station, and you get the "Fairness
Doctrine" reinstated. Now, every time I air something
even slightly controversial, I have to worry about being
fined unless I give free air time to an opposing view.
And what if there isn't anyone available to give an
opposing view, or you listen to the opposing view
I presented and decide it isn't oppositional enough?
What will happen is that radio station owners will
decline to air things that upset you...which I'm sure
you're fine with, what with the mainstream media
acting as the 24/7 volunteer PR department for
your heroes.
--
Walt
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Easy, put on shows with right and left co-hosts, they have them in
Canada and it makes for very entertaining radio
rather than a 3 hour one sided blast at one side or the other.... |
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jose
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On Nov 14, 9:53 am, WBYe...@Ireland.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:15:42 -0800 (PST), "Kickin' Ass & Takin' Names"
PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 13, 2:12 pm, ZNUYBV <tjwilson6...@gmail.com> wrote:
If the fairness doctrine is reinstated truth will be the first
casualty.-
Well, not exactly. If the fairness doctrine is enforced, at last the
truth will have equal time with the lies that we have been subjected
to for the past 20 years.
Give it a rest. Keep all the Righties in one place - AM radio. It's
patently ridiculous to try and balance off each and every program with
one of opposing views. Talk radio is entertainment aimed at the lowest
percentile of the American populace and culture - the ignorant right.
It's akin to the old sideshows at Ringling's Circus. Many of us stop,
listen, laugh, and change stations. These 'wight wing wobots' are
telling, "tales told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying
nothing."
WB Yeats
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It is not sufficient for the fascists on the left
to own TV, the print press and news magazines.
They are driven to snuff out every source they
disagree with by whatever means. The Communists
in the old USSR did that and so did the Nazis.
Tyranny can only survive when the people are
lied to and coerced by fear.
Freedom of speech is being curtailed everyday by
political correctness, sensitivity training, and
leftists on university campuses who drown out
speech they disagree with. |
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