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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:03:22 -0600, Ken
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| Quote: | Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:55:02 -0600, Ken
Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
dank420@rocketmail.com wrote:
On Oct 30, 7:33 pm, Wexford <wrya...@gmail.com> wrote...
When George Bush was sworn in as president, he had to undergo a
security clearance procedure as well. The man who can order nuclear
strikes had to complete a form that only went back SEVEN years. That's
all a president has to do. A Contracting Officer has to have led a
pristine life. The president only has to stay clean for 7 years.
The only constitutional requirements for president is to be a natural-
born citizen over 35 years of age, and have resided in the United
States for at least 14 years. The Constitution doesn't mention
security checks, and separation of powers means that Congress can't
impose stricter requirements on the Executive branch. I'm citing
Article II of the U.S. Constitution, so where do you get the security
check requirement from?
Common sense??? I would think that one serving as president would be
on our side? I am not sure about Obama, and I think many other voters
feel the same way.
Here's the key/core issue, KENLOON
"...I would think...."
"..I'm not sure..."
"..and I think..."
What you think is a set of sleazy racist thoughts.
I always thought that a person needed to say or do something racist in
order to be one.
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No, Kenloon----Conservatives use a plethora of Code
words to get their point across.
Like: "States rights" (which was the fight to maintain
the "right of the state" to maintain Jim Crow, Slavery
and segregation"
Like: "keeping your own money"---which is the
rhetorical justification for allowing the wealth class
not to pay their commensurate share of taxes
So when you support a political ideology that has
CONSISTENTLY fought against workers rights, childrens
rights, women's rights, civil rights, fair housing,
fair lending practices, civil liberty, you are IN FACT
being a racist---only not overtly.
Note: It's the ideology, stupid.
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From the beginning of the Democratic party, through the civil war and the New Deal,
the South was the foundation stone of the party's national strength. With the coming
of the civil-rights revolution, Democratic presidents Kennedy and Johnson deployed the
federal government to support social equality. In reaction, Republicans - from Goldwater
to Nixon to Reagan - developed a Southern strategy to win over white voters in the
region who felt betrayed. That strategy involved using widely understood code going
back to the civil war - phrases like "states' rights", used to justify slavery - in an
updating of the well-worn strategy of invoking race to keep poor white and black
Americans divided on issues of common interest. Thus the party of Lincoln
became the party of Reagan. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, he just wants to spread th |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:47:51 -0600, Ken
<Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Phlip wrote:
How does he intend to spread the wealth to black people except by
taking money from those who earned it and giving it to those who don't
work?
Easy - by taking it from those who _didn't_ earn it.
And just who would such a person be?
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Richard Mellon Scaife----the funder of the Clinton
Smears, dozens of rightwing think tanks which formulate
and promote racist greed-----was handed a few billion
upon his 18th birthday.
Add to that a kazillion CEO's who's "advice" caused
companies to fail---yet received tens of millions in
compensation anyway. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, he just wants to spread th |
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| Quote: | Apparently the crack sellers, thieves, and pimps ARE excluded under the
Obama plan. Somehow that is exactly what I thought.
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I listed 3 of them you dumb fuck. The CIA, the finance lobby, and Larry
Flint. All over 200k income, all get higher taxes.
| Quote: | Perhaps you can answer another question for me: If 95% of the white
voters were to vote for the white candidate in an election between a black
one and a white one, would that be defined as racist??? If so, is the
same action for a black candidate by black voters also racist?? America
wants to know!!!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, he just wants to spread th |
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| Quote: | Apparently the crack sellers, thieves, and pimps ARE excluded under the
Obama plan. Somehow that is exactly what I thought.
I listed 3 of them you dumb fuck. The CIA, the finance lobby, and Larry
Flint. All over 200k income, all get higher taxes.
The reason I did not reply to YOUR answer is I really could not make much
sense of it.
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The questions:
Why should Larry Flint, a professional pimp, pay lower taxes?
Why should the finance lobby, professional thieves, pay lower taxes?
Why should CIA operatives, who invented crack, pay lower taxes?
Are those questions simple enough for you? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, he just wants to spread th |
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Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:47:51 -0600, Ken
Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
Phlip wrote:
How does he intend to spread the wealth to black people except by
taking money from those who earned it and giving it to those who don't
work?
Easy - by taking it from those who _didn't_ earn it.
And just who would such a person be?
Richard Mellon Scaife----the funder of the Clinton
Smears, dozens of rightwing think tanks which formulate
and promote racist greed-----was handed a few billion
upon his 18th birthday.
Add to that a kazillion CEO's who's "advice" caused
companies to fail---yet received tens of millions in
compensation anyway.
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Apparently the crack sellers, thieves, and pimps ARE excluded under the
Obama plan. Somehow that is exactly what I thought.
Perhaps you can answer another question for me: If 95% of the white
voters were to vote for the white candidate in an election between a
black one and a white one, would that be defined as racist??? If so, is
the same action for a black candidate by black voters also racist??
America wants to know!!! |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, KenLoon just insinuates he |
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Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:03:22 -0600, Ken
Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:55:02 -0600, Ken
Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
dank420@rocketmail.com wrote:
On Oct 30, 7:33 pm, Wexford <wrya...@gmail.com> wrote...
When George Bush was sworn in as president, he had to undergo a
security clearance procedure as well. The man who can order nuclear
strikes had to complete a form that only went back SEVEN years. That's
all a president has to do. A Contracting Officer has to have led a
pristine life. The president only has to stay clean for 7 years.
The only constitutional requirements for president is to be a natural-
born citizen over 35 years of age, and have resided in the United
States for at least 14 years. The Constitution doesn't mention
security checks, and separation of powers means that Congress can't
impose stricter requirements on the Executive branch. I'm citing
Article II of the U.S. Constitution, so where do you get the security
check requirement from?
Common sense??? I would think that one serving as president would be
on our side? I am not sure about Obama, and I think many other voters
feel the same way.
Here's the key/core issue, KENLOON
"...I would think...."
"..I'm not sure..."
"..and I think..."
What you think is a set of sleazy racist thoughts.
I always thought that a person needed to say or do something racist in
order to be one.
No, Kenloon----Conservatives use a plethora of Code
words to get their point across.
Like: "States rights" (which was the fight to maintain
the "right of the state" to maintain Jim Crow, Slavery
and segregation"
Like: "keeping your own money"---which is the
rhetorical justification for allowing the wealth class
not to pay their commensurate share of taxes
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You forgot one: "Get off your lazy ass!" That certainly must be a
code phrase denoting racism, although I have used it when talking to my
son!! I guess I should have taken a course or two in Ebonics in order
to better understand the code words? Perhaps you can define a couple
for me? Yo' Mutha, Cracker, Whitey, Ho', etc.
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So when you support a political ideology that has
CONSISTENTLY fought against workers rights, childrens
rights, women's rights, civil rights, fair housing,
fair lending practices, civil liberty, you are IN FACT
being a racist---only not overtly.
Note: It's the ideology, stupid.
==============================================
From the beginning of the Democratic party, through the civil war and the New Deal,
the South was the foundation stone of the party's national strength. With the coming
of the civil-rights revolution, Democratic presidents Kennedy and Johnson deployed the
federal government to support social equality. In reaction, Republicans - from Goldwater
to Nixon to Reagan - developed a Southern strategy to win over white voters in the
region who felt betrayed. That strategy involved using widely understood code going
back to the civil war - phrases like "states' rights", used to justify slavery - in an
updating of the well-worn strategy of invoking race to keep poor white and black
Americans divided on issues of common interest. Thus the party of Lincoln
became the party of Reagan. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, he just wants to spread th |
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Phlip wrote:
| Quote: | Apparently the crack sellers, thieves, and pimps ARE excluded under the
Obama plan. Somehow that is exactly what I thought.
I listed 3 of them you dumb fuck. The CIA, the finance lobby, and Larry
Flint. All over 200k income, all get higher taxes.
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The reason I did not reply to YOUR answer is I really could not make
much sense of it. I hope others had more success. Perhaps Click will
tutor you on how to write better incoherent messages???
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Perhaps you can answer another question for me: If 95% of the white
voters were to vote for the white candidate in an election between a black
one and a white one, would that be defined as racist??? If so, is the
same action for a black candidate by black voters also racist?? America
wants to know!!!
OJ has no answer to the actual charges? Play the race card!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, he just wants to spread th |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:31:34 -0600, Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:47:51 -0600, Ken
Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
Phlip wrote:
How does he intend to spread the wealth to black people except by
taking money from those who earned it and giving it to those who don't
work?
Easy - by taking it from those who _didn't_ earn it.
And just who would such a person be?
Richard Mellon Scaife----the funder of the Clinton
Smears, dozens of rightwing think tanks which formulate
and promote racist greed-----was handed a few billion
upon his 18th birthday.
Add to that a kazillion CEO's who's "advice" caused
companies to fail---yet received tens of millions in
compensation anyway.
Apparently the crack sellers, thieves, and pimps ARE excluded under the
Obama plan. Somehow that is exactly what I thought.
Perhaps you can answer another question for me: If 95% of the white
voters were to vote for the white candidate in an election between a
black one and a white one, would that be defined as racist??? If so, is
the same action for a black candidate by black voters also racist??
America wants to know!!!
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Kenny boy, you keep running away from my question. It's really not a
hard question.
In 2004, 95% of blacks voted for John Kerry. Were they being racist
then?
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Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition,
as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of
innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.
-- John McCain, in the Sept/Oct 2008 issue of Contingencies, the magazine of the
American Academy of Actuaries.
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Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, KenLoon just insinuates he |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:40:53 -0600, Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:03:22 -0600, Ken
Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:55:02 -0600, Ken
Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
dank420@rocketmail.com wrote:
On Oct 30, 7:33 pm, Wexford <wrya...@gmail.com> wrote...
When George Bush was sworn in as president, he had to undergo a
security clearance procedure as well. The man who can order nuclear
strikes had to complete a form that only went back SEVEN years. That's
all a president has to do. A Contracting Officer has to have led a
pristine life. The president only has to stay clean for 7 years.
The only constitutional requirements for president is to be a natural-
born citizen over 35 years of age, and have resided in the United
States for at least 14 years. The Constitution doesn't mention
security checks, and separation of powers means that Congress can't
impose stricter requirements on the Executive branch. I'm citing
Article II of the U.S. Constitution, so where do you get the security
check requirement from?
Common sense??? I would think that one serving as president would be
on our side? I am not sure about Obama, and I think many other voters
feel the same way.
Here's the key/core issue, KENLOON
"...I would think...."
"..I'm not sure..."
"..and I think..."
What you think is a set of sleazy racist thoughts.
I always thought that a person needed to say or do something racist in
order to be one.
No, Kenloon----Conservatives use a plethora of Code
words to get their point across.
Like: "States rights" (which was the fight to maintain
the "right of the state" to maintain Jim Crow, Slavery
and segregation"
Like: "keeping your own money"---which is the
rhetorical justification for allowing the wealth class
not to pay their commensurate share of taxes
You forgot one: "Get off your lazy ass!" That certainly must be a
code phrase denoting racism, although I have used it when talking to my
son!! I guess I should have taken a course or two in Ebonics in order
to better understand the code words? Perhaps you can define a couple
for me? Yo' Mutha, Cracker, Whitey, Ho', etc.
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Ah! The true voice of the GOP!
Then he snivels that black people won't support him.
Poor baby. Someone change his diapers.
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So when you support a political ideology that has
CONSISTENTLY fought against workers rights, childrens
rights, women's rights, civil rights, fair housing,
fair lending practices, civil liberty, you are IN FACT
being a racist---only not overtly.
Note: It's the ideology, stupid.
==============================================
From the beginning of the Democratic party, through the civil war and the New Deal,
the South was the foundation stone of the party's national strength. With the coming
of the civil-rights revolution, Democratic presidents Kennedy and Johnson deployed the
federal government to support social equality. In reaction, Republicans - from Goldwater
to Nixon to Reagan - developed a Southern strategy to win over white voters in the
region who felt betrayed. That strategy involved using widely understood code going
back to the civil war - phrases like "states' rights", used to justify slavery - in an
updating of the well-worn strategy of invoking race to keep poor white and black
Americans divided on issues of common interest. Thus the party of Lincoln
became the party of Reagan.
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Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition,
as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of
innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.
-- John McCain, in the Sept/Oct 2008 issue of Contingencies, the magazine of the
American Academy of Actuaries.
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
For news feed (free, 10-20 articles a day)
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, he just wants to spread th |
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Phlip wrote:
| Quote: | Apparently the crack sellers, thieves, and pimps ARE excluded under the
Obama plan. Somehow that is exactly what I thought.
I listed 3 of them you dumb fuck. The CIA, the finance lobby, and Larry
Flint. All over 200k income, all get higher taxes.
The reason I did not reply to YOUR answer is I really could not make much
sense of it.
The questions:
Why should Larry Flint, a professional pimp, pay lower taxes?
Why should the finance lobby, professional thieves, pay lower taxes?
Why should CIA operatives, who invented crack, pay lower taxes?
Are those questions simple enough for you?
I never said that Larry Flint should pay lower taxes. In fact, I do |
not know of anyone posting in this thread that suggested that. The
theme of the thread had to do with HIGHER TAXES and "Spreading the
wealth to benefit the black community." How Larry Flint is relevant to
this topic escapes me.
If a person is a "Professional thief" like you suggest, he should be
incarcerated and not given lower taxes to pay. Where you got the idea
that I was in favor of lowering such a person's taxes is beyond me.
As for the comment about the CIA and crack: Apparently you know more
about crack than I do, for I was not aware that the CIA had invented it.
I am aware of Rev. Wright suggesting that AIDS and drug addition were
the fault of the white people rather than those consuming drugs and
impregnating young females and then refusing to take responsibility for
the child. Do you agree with Rev. Wright????
And yes, the reposting of your thoughts made it much easier to
understand where you were coming from and what questions you sought to
have answered. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, KenLoon just insinuates he |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:40:53 -0600, Ken
<Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:03:22 -0600, Ken
Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:55:02 -0600, Ken
Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
dank420@rocketmail.com wrote:
On Oct 30, 7:33 pm, Wexford <wrya...@gmail.com> wrote...
When George Bush was sworn in as president, he had to undergo a
security clearance procedure as well. The man who can order nuclear
strikes had to complete a form that only went back SEVEN years. That's
all a president has to do. A Contracting Officer has to have led a
pristine life. The president only has to stay clean for 7 years.
The only constitutional requirements for president is to be a natural-
born citizen over 35 years of age, and have resided in the United
States for at least 14 years. The Constitution doesn't mention
security checks, and separation of powers means that Congress can't
impose stricter requirements on the Executive branch. I'm citing
Article II of the U.S. Constitution, so where do you get the security
check requirement from?
Common sense??? I would think that one serving as president would be
on our side? I am not sure about Obama, and I think many other voters
feel the same way.
Here's the key/core issue, KENLOON
"...I would think...."
"..I'm not sure..."
"..and I think..."
What you think is a set of sleazy racist thoughts.
I always thought that a person needed to say or do something racist in
order to be one.
No, Kenloon----Conservatives use a plethora of Code
words to get their point across.
Like: "States rights" (which was the fight to maintain
the "right of the state" to maintain Jim Crow, Slavery
and segregation"
Like: "keeping your own money"---which is the
rhetorical justification for allowing the wealth class
not to pay their commensurate share of taxes
You forgot one: "Get off your lazy ass!" That certainly must be a
code phrase denoting racism,
It is when Conservatives say it, Kenloon |
Racist and Hypocritcal
Karl Marx and Communism says "he who does not work,
shall not eat..."---the mantra of conservatives.
Richard Mellon Scaife never worked a day in his
life----yet overnight became a billionaire because of
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, he just wants to spread th |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:46:35 -0600, Ken
<Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Phlip wrote:
Apparently the crack sellers, thieves, and pimps ARE excluded under the
Obama plan. Somehow that is exactly what I thought.
I listed 3 of them you dumb fuck. The CIA, the finance lobby, and Larry
Flint. All over 200k income, all get higher taxes.
The reason I did not reply to YOUR answer is I really could not make
much sense of it.
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Kenloon, you haven't made much sense of anything since
you've been here. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, he just wants to spread th |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:39:51 -0600, Ken
<Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I never said that Larry Flint should pay lower taxes. In fact, I do
not know of anyone posting in this thread that suggested that
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Yep, ya do, Kenloon
You support a political ideology that says lowering the
taxes on the wealthiest in AMerica is good.
Others must pay for those lowered taxes, Kenloon
The bottom 2/3rds do
Veterans do |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Obama isn't a real socialist, he just wants to spread th |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:31:34 -0600, Ken
<Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
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Perhaps you can answer another question for me: If 95% of the white
voters were to vote for the white candidate in an election between a
black one and a white one, would that be defined as racist???
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Only in your fevered mind, KenLoon
First ofall, no white would vote (ever again) 95% for
Dumbya Bush (if able to run) against a black like
Obama---so your silly scenario is bogus.
95% of all whites are not racist, nor are 95% of all
blacks racist
What blacks are---are cognizant ot the FACT that 95% of
all conservatives are racist. |
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4802 Dead wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:31:34 -0600, Ken <Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
Nicklas@Click.com wrote:
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:47:51 -0600, Ken
Ken@invalid.com> wrote:
Phlip wrote:
How does he intend to spread the wealth to black people except by
taking money from those who earned it and giving it to those who don't
work?
Easy - by taking it from those who _didn't_ earn it.
And just who would such a person be?
Richard Mellon Scaife----the funder of the Clinton
Smears, dozens of rightwing think tanks which formulate
and promote racist greed-----was handed a few billion
upon his 18th birthday.
Add to that a kazillion CEO's who's "advice" caused
companies to fail---yet received tens of millions in
compensation anyway.
Apparently the crack sellers, thieves, and pimps ARE excluded under the
Obama plan. Somehow that is exactly what I thought.
Perhaps you can answer another question for me: If 95% of the white
voters were to vote for the white candidate in an election between a
black one and a white one, would that be defined as racist??? If so, is
the same action for a black candidate by black voters also racist??
America wants to know!!!
Kenny boy, you keep running away from my question. It's really not a
hard question.
In 2004, 95% of blacks voted for John Kerry. Were they being racist
then?
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Assuming that your figures are correct: No, they were just supporting
what they saw as the person or party who promised them the most for the
least effort. When you have only a 55% completion rate for high school
by blacks students, you have a major portion of blacks who have very
little chance to earn a good wage. That is why so many resort to crime
as a career.
I might also add (as you must also know) there are many successful
blacks who sought an education or skill and are doing quite well. Even
they want nothing to do with the lazy ones.
Now please return to MY question, since I answered yours.
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Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition,
as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of
innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.
-- John McCain, in the Sept/Oct 2008 issue of Contingencies, the magazine of the
American Academy of Actuaries.
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
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