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 Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Gary Uses Racial Slur as daily routine exclusively foe B |
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Loon@Rightwing.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:47:55 -0500, "CB"
CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
I wouldn't call you a "nigger" if you didn't speak to me like one, Gary
I'm speaking to you like a black person?
You're the one who associates "nigger" exclusively with black folk, not me.
I be moe inclusive and I be segregate'n civil pea'poe from the likes of you
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The word has been racist since the mid 1800s, well before political correctness.
You're only trying to excuse your own racism.
http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/caricature/
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The etymology of nigger is often traced to the Latin niger, meaning
black. The Latin niger became the noun negro (black person) in English,
and simply the color black in Spanish and Portuguese. In Early Modern
French niger became negre and, later, negress (black woman) was clearly
a part of lexical history. One can compare to negre the derogatory
nigger and earlier English variants such as negar, neegar, neger, and
niggor which developed into a parallel lexico-semantic reality in
English. It is likely that nigger is a phonetic spelling of the white
Southern mispronunciation of Negro. Whatever its origins, by the early
1800s it was firmly established as a denigrative epithet. Almost two
centuries later, it remains a chief symbol of white racism.
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RichTravsky
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Palin Speaks to Newsmax About McCain, Abortion, Climate |
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CB wrote:
| Quote: | Loon@Rightwing.com> wrote in message
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:25:02 -0500, "CB"
CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
NO ONE believes your use of the racist term signifies
anything but what the ACCEPTED definition is.
How politically correct of ya'll
Has nothing to do with politics, you sleazy racist
It has to do with cowering behind an unaccepted
definition of a racist slur and PRETENDING you only
mean it a certain way.
I wouldn't call you a "nigger" if you didn't speak to me like one, Gary
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http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/caricature/
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The etymology of nigger is often traced to the Latin niger, meaning
black. The Latin niger became the noun negro (black person) in English,
and simply the color black in Spanish and Portuguese. In Early Modern
French niger became negre and, later, negress (black woman) was clearly
a part of lexical history. One can compare to negre the derogatory
nigger and earlier English variants such as negar, neegar, neger, and
niggor which developed into a parallel lexico-semantic reality in
English. It is likely that nigger is a phonetic spelling of the white
Southern mispronunciation of Negro. Whatever its origins, by the early
1800s it was firmly established as a denigrative epithet. Almost two
centuries later, it remains a chief symbol of white racism.
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RichTravsky
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Palin Speaks to Newsmax About McCain, Abortion, Climate |
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CB wrote:
| Quote: | Loon@Rightwing.com> wrote in message
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:40:25 -0500, "CB"
CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
"Ouroboros_Rex" <its@casual.com> wrote in message
One must qualify to be a "nigger" in my vocabulary.
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You vocabulary is a lie. It's an excuse for you racism.
| Quote: | Are you qualified?
You're a racist sleaze, barta
NO ONE believes your use of the racist term signifies
anything but what the ACCEPTED definition is.
How politically correct of ya'll
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The word "nigger" has been racist since the mid 1800s - well before
political correctness.
http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/caricature/
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The etymology of nigger is often traced to the Latin niger, meaning
black. The Latin niger became the noun negro (black person) in English,
and simply the color black in Spanish and Portuguese. In Early Modern
French niger became negre and, later, negress (black woman) was clearly
a part of lexical history. One can compare to negre the derogatory
nigger and earlier English variants such as negar, neegar, neger, and
niggor which developed into a parallel lexico-semantic reality in
English. It is likely that nigger is a phonetic spelling of the white
Southern mispronunciation of Negro. Whatever its origins, by the early
1800s it was firmly established as a denigrative epithet. Almost two
centuries later, it remains a chief symbol of white racism.
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RichTravsky
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Palin Speaks to Newsmax About McCain, Abortion, Climate |
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CB wrote:
| Quote: | "Ouroboros_Rex" <its@casual.com> wrote in message
CB wrote:
"Lone Ranger" <snowball2002@bigfoot.com.spamalamadingdong> wrote in
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:06:44 -0500, "CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
God's rightful place next to science? What the fuck are you
talking about? Nobody is afraid of competing theories, as long
as these theories have a solid scientific basis. The so-called
"creation science" is not a serious alternative to evolution,
because "creationism" is total rubbish!
You just can't handle the Truth or the compretition
And what exactly is the "truth" about creationism? Please tell us.
Please!
You're too ignant to understand or to be enlightened, sorry.
I read peer reviewed papers almost every day. I have yet to find a
paper that supports "creation science". If you know about *any* such
peer reviewed paper (published in a reputable science journal), then
I would like to know. All it takes is *one* paper! I'm *not*
interested in any religious mumbo jumbo.
Religion is for intellectuals to bonder as if they're wise, faith in
Jesus and our Father is a gift which only a few are privileged.
I offer to share a part of His gift with you and get rejected. God
makes note of it each time.
Just like your continued use of the word n-gger. lol
One must qualify to be a "nigger" in my vocabulary.
Are you qualified?
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http://www.ferris.edu/news/jimcrow/caricature/
...
The etymology of nigger is often traced to the Latin niger, meaning
black. The Latin niger became the noun negro (black person) in English,
and simply the color black in Spanish and Portuguese. In Early Modern
French niger became negre and, later, negress (black woman) was clearly
a part of lexical history. One can compare to negre the derogatory
nigger and earlier English variants such as negar, neegar, neger, and
niggor which developed into a parallel lexico-semantic reality in
English. It is likely that nigger is a phonetic spelling of the white
Southern mispronunciation of Negro. Whatever its origins, by the early
1800s it was firmly established as a denigrative epithet. Almost two
centuries later, it remains a chief symbol of white racism.
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RichTravsky
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Palin Speaks to Newsmax About McCain, Abortion, Climate |
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CB wrote:
| Quote: | "Lone Ranger" <snowball2002@bigfoot.com.spamalamadingdong> wrote in message
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:06:44 -0500, "CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
God's rightful place next to science? What the fuck are you talking
about? Nobody is afraid of competing theories, as long as these
theories have a solid scientific basis. The so-called "creation
science" is not a serious alternative to evolution, because
"creationism" is total rubbish!
You just can't handle the Truth or the compretition
And what exactly is the "truth" about creationism? Please tell us.
Please!
You're too ignant to understand or to be enlightened, sorry.
I read peer reviewed papers almost every day. I have yet to find a
paper that supports "creation science". If you know about *any* such
peer reviewed paper (published in a reputable science journal), then I
would like to know. All it takes is *one* paper! I'm *not* interested
in any religious mumbo jumbo.
Religion is for intellectuals to bonder as if they're wise, faith in Jesus
and our Father is a gift which only a few are privileged.
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IOW, only for the unthinking and dumb.
| Quote: | I offer to share a part of His gift with you and get rejected. God makes
note of it each time.
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Is each instance of racism from you noted?
| Quote: | He'll not invite you to His party at the Mansion at harvest time
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Think bigots like you are invited?
| Quote: | The signs are
all around, all you need to do 'is' look what has happened in world
history,
what's been foretold and come true and what Revelations point to the
inevitable.
And what has this got to do with "creation science"?
As much as 1+1=2
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Which also has nothing to do with anything.
| Quote: | But you won't cause you'z be ignant
Well, I guess it takes one to know one.
I don't profess to be smart, only wise
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You are neither. You are, however, an ignorant bigot.
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RichTravsky
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Palin Speaks to Newsmax About McCain, Abortion, Climate |
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CB wrote:
| Quote: | "RichTravsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
CB wrote:
"RichTravsky" <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
CB wrote:
"Lone Ranger" <snowball2002@bigfoot.com.spamalamadingdong> wrote in
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:35:35 -0400, "CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote:
She apparently believes "creationism" should be taught in public
schools, and she doubts global warming stems from human
activity.
So she is not only anti-abortion, but also anti-education and
anti-science.
Libs are afraid of competition, of all types. From the classroom
to
the
boardroom to the battlefield, Libs would rather cut-n-run, tax the
successful to punish them and deny God his rightful place next to
the
science that proclaims His ordered majesty.
God's rightful place next to science? What the fuck are you
talking
about? Nobody is afraid of competing theories, as long as these
theories have a solid scientific basis. The so-called "creation
science" is not a serious alternative to evolution, because
"creationism" is total rubbish!
You just can't handle the Truth or the compretition
And what exactly is the "truth" about creationism? Please tell us.
Please!
You're too ignant to understand or to be enlightened, sorry. The signs
are
all around, all you need to do 'is' look what has happened in world
history,
what's been foretold and come true and what Revelations point to the
inevitable.
But you won't cause you'z be ignant
The evidence is in genetics, geology, cosmology, and paleontology. Only
the ignorant
refuse to face facts.
The evidence be in God's order, which 'is' in genetics, geology,
cosmology,
and paleontology. Only the ignorant refuse to face facts
The facts are that genesis is completely negated by the facts.
Heh...say what?
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I'll type slower for you:
The facts are that genesis is completely negated by the facts
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Dan Christensen gets his fat, red fascist butt kicked... |
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Dan Christensen wrote:
| Quote: | On Oct 22, 5:19 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
[snipping portions of PL's pathetic posting already debunked here, or
just too lame to bother with]
And the full translation:
[snip]
I said to him that it was an error ** to reply to HIM with the
initials
of Prensa Latina" and not my nickname. (my emphasis)
[snip]
Again, if he was quoting me here, where are the quotation marks?
**de lui rpondre avec les initial de Pransa Latina"
There
is only one set,
and two "**" on the other side.
"**" is not a quotation mark.(snip)
and you yourself said it most likely was a typo.
Anyone that reads French can see that from the original.
And the original has **, not " or '' or ``. The French seem to use
"<<" or ">>" (snip)
so he is sloppy.
is that your defense?
get real.
why put anything if to have quotes.
Just "ornaments"
You can't assume anything based on his seemingly random punctuation.
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it isn't "seemingly random", desperate Dan.
It is very clear.
| Quote: | Again, why the use of the second "him."
Easy:
I have said to him (Dan Christensen) quote: "to reply to him (PL) with
the initial of Prensa Latina" was a mistake.
Wrong again. The second "him" refers to me.
Of no consequence whatsover Dan as you show below..
It would be of some consequence if it was a direct quote(snip)
it is a direct quote of what he said to you in some message as per his
own words.
[snip]
How do you know?
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He said so desperate Dan.
| Quote: | It isn't indicated by either the punctuation or the
wording. (snip)
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false as frequently shown.
| Quote: | He never made any reference to "Prensa Latina" in SCC.
[snip]
He made that reference only in a reply to you at the French newsgroup..
Indeed.
There he said he spoke to you about Prensa Latina.
[snip]
(snip)
What you snipped for obvious reasons:
(snip)
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Yep, as it isn't relevant.
The guy said he spoke to you about Prensa Latina.
he did not do so in SCC.
There have been more communications, that is clear to everyone.
Your lie has been exposed.
| Quote: | Three days later, he alluded to this apology at the French newsgroup
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There he stated what he said to you about that apology;
From the content it is clear that he is indeed refering to a seperate
communication about the incident in SCC as het quotes words never used
in SCC.
| Quote: | in a reply to you (translated):
"I said to him (Dan) that it was an error ** to reply to him (Dan)
with the initials of Prensa Latina' ('PL') and not my nickname
('CubaLibre')."
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and in SCC he never wrote anything about Prensa Latina.
Thanks for showing he communicated with you in a different setting.
You have exposed your own lies again.
| Quote: | Nope.
those are his words.
You yourself said that you are the one he claims to have spoken to.
[snip]
Only publicly at SCC. (snip)
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and he gives quotes from a different communication with you in the
French Newsgroup. That is clear from the content he reports.
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BTW, from several weeks ago, we are STILL waiting for your proof -- in
the form of an official notice or journalistic account -- of your
allegation that Cuban officials in France did anything unlawful or contrary to international treaties, especially as regarding non-interference.
(snip)
Post where I claimed they did.
Sounds rather unlawful to me.
[snip]
from the part of your two comrade from the rat pack, indeed.
You run with a dirty crowd.
thanks for agreeing with me.
We have only your word for it. (snip)
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You yourself said the their actions sound "pretty unlawful" to you and
you are right: their website was taken down and for these kinds of
remarks and abuses their founding" secretary" was convicted.
Their support for you in SCC and their similar activities (posting lies
and insults, running pro-Castro websites, lobbying for the Cuban regime,
attempting to intimidate people by pposting private data on the web,...)
to yours show there is a clear link.
A link identified as the "rat pack", desperate Dan.
Their website went 100%, yours had pages removed.
they abuse people's privacy, so do you (that is why part of your website
went)
They attack, insult and post lies and innuendo about people in places
like SCC. That is your main activity.
The link is clear especially given that they ran to your support in SCC
when you needed it.
| Quote: | Now to which extend that implies criminal behavior on the part of any
Cuba diplomats is something I don't speculate on.
[snip]
Under the terms of the Vienna Covention, diplomats must abide by the
laws of the host country and refrain from interferring in the internal
affairs of that country. (snip)
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If you think Cuban diplomats went to far by financing these people, then
report them to the French authorities, Dan.
If they need more facts they can contact me.
The facts show clearly what happens:
- your pal Cubalibre comes to your help in SCC and uses my handle PL to
create confusion. He wants indeed to give the impression that it is a
message of mine when people look it up.
- you get on his case for annoying you and tell him to "cease and
desist" which this normally uncontrollable idiot meekly does. This man
has been convicted to 6 months in jail for his abuses. They had to take
him to court and when Dan speaks he shuts up.
- strangely enough it appears the man feels the need to try to explain
away the use of the handle "PL" to you and in another message - from
which he later quotes in defense of not impersonating people in the
French newsgroup- Cubalibre quoted what he had said to you:
French text:
Je lui ai dit que c'tais une erreur **de lui rpondre avec les initial
de Pransa Latina" et non mon pseudo."
my translation: (for those not speaking French)
I said to him [Dan Christensen]that it was an error ** to reply to him
with the initials of Prensa Latina " and not my pseudo."
http://groups.google.be/group/fr.soc.politique/msg/964e7c457a9fb035?hl=nl&dmode=source
Paraphrasing:
He says that he has said to his comrade Dan Christensen that it was a
mistake to reply to SCC with the initials of Prensa Latina and not as
Cubalibre. He seems to be trying to remain on your good side for some
reason by offering an explanation of what he did.
In SCC he didn't. He just complied and apologized.
This kind of behavior only makes sense when a close tie exists between
people. Otherwise he would have ignored you in SCC or told you to take a
running jump as he usually did.
The fact he clearly felt the need to get back to you and to give his
crappy excuses also shows there is more than a casual acquaintance here.
All you have succeeded in doing here Dan is confirming what you have
been trying to deny all the time.
Your comrade, the French self confessed informant of the Cuban regime,
has given us the proof that you are indeed linked to Cuban agents and
informers.
You can't deny the facts, Dan.
Again you are clearly exposed as the vile slanderous lying bastard you are.
The "rat pack" you belong to operates on internet.
Members mutually support each other by slandering and menacing the
people the group feels they have to target as they expose their lies.
Both on theirs and your websites slanderous lies and private information
were posted.
Their site was completely removed. Yours in part.
When you needed help dirtbags like Cubalibre - with nearly no English
- joined your vile personal attacks in SCC.
But I see you no longer deny that your "comrades" or "associates" are
indeed paid agents and informers.
You are now reduced to desperately trying to distance yourself from them.
The facts on his pals from the rat pack that desperate Dan snipped in
the hope that people would forget what he is all about:
Cubalibre (FV) founding "secretary general" of the centre and a man
that came to your help here.
A man that like you stalks people and violates their privacy.
One like you in so many ways here stating he is informing on people:
"next time [you go to Santiago] you will be arrested thanks to the IP
I have exposed"
"la prochaine fois tu seras arret grace aux ip que je viens de
relever"
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/963c486e0d49bd4d?hl=3Dnl=
Mr. S-G, the presidents that sows that the only clients of his
business are the Cuban regime and it's organs:
Here he is presented as "a Chilean" and the president of a "Frenche
NGO" (in fact the Centre Ernesto Che Guevara):
"Igualmente se incorporo al Comite de Convenciones y
Recomendaciones
(CRE) la denuncia del caso de los 5 heroes prisioneros del imperio,
presentada por el sociologo chileno, residente en Francia, Jose
Rodrigo S***-G*****, Presidente de una ONG."
http://cuba.comnat.unesco.org/upload/documents/doc_247.doc
I replaced some letters with "*" to protect privacy.
here with "Cubalibre" that also posted here:
http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2004/08/A/11474
Both founded the "NGO"
http://vdedaj.club.fr/cuba/bulletin/%5BCSP%5D%20Envoi%20groupe%20797.htm
The current state of their site after the lies they posted were
removed:
http://www.centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org/
Link to Tours, France
Le Centre Ernesto Che Guevara bas=E9 =E0 Tours, France
http://www.aboutus.org/Centre-Ernesto-Che-Guevara.com
Further proof (old whois data) that the Centre was based in Tours (see
the address)
Address: 82.228.159.219 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
http://www.whois.sc/centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org
Domain ID:D101876283-LROR
Domain Name:CENTRE-ERNESTO-CHE-GUEVARA.ORG
Created On:21-Oct-2003 15:03:36
UTC Last Updated On:24-Oct-2005 21:21:58 UTC
Expiration Date:21-Oct-2006 15:03:36 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:DSTR Acquisition VII, LLC d/b/a
Dotregistrar.com (R114-LROR)
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:1267221-R
Registrant Name:Centre Ernesto Che Guevara
Registrant Street1:1, mail David d 'Angers
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Tours
Registrant State/Province:Centre
Registrant Postal Code:37000
Registrant Country:FR
Now so-called based in Chile (note origin of Mr. S_G is Chile)
The same private server hosted the old website of the Cuban embassy
France:
Websites:
www.Aw-dig.com
www.Centre-ernesto-che-guevara.com
www.Centre-ernesto-che-guevara.info
www.Centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org
www.Cubaparis.info
www.Cubaparis.org
www.Phyloart.com
IP address: (shared by all at the time)
82.228.159.219
Some of the sites have disappeared.
Now these still share the same IP:
www.Phyloart.com
www.Centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org
www.flex-design.org
Here is some data on his private business:
Look at the name he uses for the Business: "Flex Design" (a name
registered to other companies in other areas so don't be confused)
http://www.societe.com/societe/saa-gerbier-jose-rodrigo-499868081.html
Finally: his website:
http://www.flex-design.org/
Enter the site and click "Clients":
Ministerio de relaciones Exteriores Cuba
Embajada de Cuba en Francia
Phylo Art, Cuba Humanidad, Cubavison
Note: the Phylo Art site:
was hosted on his server as was the old site of the Cuban embassy in
Paris.
So we have a man that acts as a "Chilean" president of a "French" NGO
that is doing work for the Cuban Minrex and the Cuban embassy in
France.
Facts:
- the Cuban regime sets up and sponsors so-called NGO's in Europe to
support the regime and attack those that expose the propaganda lies
- those NGO's slander attack and intimidate people. The founding
"secretary general" of this group - at whose home address it once was
based - went to jail for racism and has even threatened to kill
people.
He has been expelled by lots of providers for abuses like spamming,
slander, ...
- the Cuban regime falsely passes them off at their Unesco website as
"outsiders" (Chilean, French NGO) while in reality they are part of
the
Minrex propaganda apparatus
It just shows how the Cuban propaganda machine that you are part of
operates
and gets financed.
You and your pals from the "rat pack" are no more than lobbyists,
agents and informants.
as I said comrade
Dan: whenever you post your lies about me I post the truth about you.
You are right to understand that your record of lies, innuendo,
insults
and support of human rights abuses discredits you.
All shame you brought on yourself by your attitude and actions.
And the exposure of the "lobbyist" lie.
Your abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over again Mr.
serial
Liar.
When you tried to come up with your own new version of the lie
you also fell flat on your face , no?
Remember when you claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while
your pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP that I
was
in Santiago de Cuba at the time.
Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=3Dg:thl174670614d&dq=3D&hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8
A real loser you are.
Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.
- Frustration
I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I
blew
his "cover". In SCC he tried to portray himself as an "independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question
in
a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show
his
lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those
with
"local knowledge".
In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often forgot to keep up the
presence and made him show his hand and true nature:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures.
In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
..........................................................................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&selm=3DtirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified under the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&selm=3DtxMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that
the
false claims he made about others (support of genocide, torture,
abuses, ..)in fact only applied to him.
I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den
HIS own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the
United
States: Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and
Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.
Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
Then there is the issue of his lying website: I had pages removed (for
violations of law, slander, ...), have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies,
remove lying caption from pictures, ...)and have in general exposed
the lies
on it (on Amnesty International for example)
What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "report": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=3DENG-CUB
where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.
Quote:
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
en of quote
- Dogmatic hatred.
Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were
to defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers democracy"
under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the reports from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was
being censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that
those
that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care about a
third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably to make
himself feel that he is "important" and to explain away his complete
propaganda failure (portraying himself as "overcome by unsurmountable
institutional odds").
- Personal hate and the "rat pack"
Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove
after a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he
had posted there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the
target of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine)and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blades or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats
in France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net )and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" was convicted to 6 months for a whole series of
abuses. A Spanish "subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise
coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.
But then in the end this is what it boils down to:
those that don't have rational arguments find themselves exposed as
the liars they are. When that happens all they have left are the old
slander tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the
hope that they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly
he would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on)
are reduced to that they expose" their own failure.
Fine by me.
PL
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Dan Christensen wrote:
| Quote: | I should also point out again that it would take much more than
evidence of an occasional private exchange of information to prove any
kind of organizational link.
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But then that was all provided:
You yourself said the their actions sound "pretty unlawful" to you and
you are right: their website was taken down and for these kinds of
remarks and abuses their founding" secretary" was convicted.
Their support for you in SCC and their similar activities (posting lies
and insults, running pro-Castro websites, lobbying for the Cuban regime,
attempting to intimidate people by posting private data on the web,...)
to yours show there is a clear link.
A link identified as the "rat pack", desperate Dan.
Their website went 100%, yours had pages removed.
they abuse people's privacy, so do you (that is why part of your website
went)
They attack, insult and post lies and innuendo about people in places
like SCC. That is your main activity.
The link is clear especially given that they ran to your support in SCC
when you needed it.
(snip)
| Quote: | Contrary to your libelous claims
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you are the one posting lies and "libelous claims", Dan.
That is about 95% of what you do online.
| Quote: | then, you have been unable to
prove that I have any organizational links to any political groups
whatsoever.(snip)
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False.
I have shown you have links to Stalinist groups and paid ageints and
informants of the Cuban regime.
The facts on his pals from the rat pack that desperate Dan snipped in
the hope that people would forget what he is all about:
Cubalibre (FV) founding "secretary general" of the centre and a man
that came to your help here.
A man that like you stalks people and violates their privacy.
One like you in so many ways here stating he is informing on people:
"next time [you go to Santiago] you will be arrested thanks to the IP
I have exposed"
"la prochaine fois tu seras arret grace aux ip que je viens de
relever"
http://groups.google.be/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/963c486e0d49bd4d?hl=3Dnl=
Mr. S-G, the presidents that sows that the only clients of his
business are the Cuban regime and it's organs:
Here he is presented as "a Chilean" and the president of a "Frenche
NGO" (in fact the Centre Ernesto Che Guevara):
"Igualmente se incorporo al Comite de Convenciones y
Recomendaciones
(CRE) la denuncia del caso de los 5 heroes prisioneros del imperio,
presentada por el sociologo chileno, residente en Francia, Jose
Rodrigo S***-G*****, Presidente de una ONG."
http://cuba.comnat.unesco.org/upload/documents/doc_247.doc
I replaced some letters with "*" to protect privacy.
here with "Cubalibre" that also posted here:
http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2004/08/A/11474
Both founded the "NGO"
http://vdedaj.club.fr/cuba/bulletin/%5BCSP%5D%20Envoi%20groupe%20797.htm
The current state of their site after the lies they posted were
removed:
http://www.centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org/
Link to Tours, France
Le Centre Ernesto Che Guevara bas=E9 =E0 Tours, France
http://www.aboutus.org/Centre-Ernesto-Che-Guevara.com
Further proof (old whois data) that the Centre was based in Tours (see
the address)
Address: 82.228.159.219 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
http://www.whois.sc/centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org
Domain ID:D101876283-LROR
Domain Name:CENTRE-ERNESTO-CHE-GUEVARA.ORG
Created On:21-Oct-2003 15:03:36
UTC Last Updated On:24-Oct-2005 21:21:58 UTC
Expiration Date:21-Oct-2006 15:03:36 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:DSTR Acquisition VII, LLC d/b/a
Dotregistrar.com (R114-LROR)
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:1267221-R
Registrant Name:Centre Ernesto Che Guevara
Registrant Street1:1, mail David d 'Angers
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Tours
Registrant State/Province:Centre
Registrant Postal Code:37000
Registrant Country:FR
Now so-called based in Chile (note origin of Mr. S_G is Chile)
The same private server hosted the old website of the Cuban embassy
France:
Websites:
www.Aw-dig.com
www.Centre-ernesto-che-guevara.com
www.Centre-ernesto-che-guevara.info
www.Centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org
www.Cubaparis.info
www.Cubaparis.org
www.Phyloart.com
IP address: (shared by all at the time)
82.228.159.219
Some of the sites have disappeared.
Now these still share the same IP:
www.Phyloart.com
www.Centre-ernesto-che-guevara.org
www.flex-design.org
Here is some data on his private business:
Look at the name he uses for the Business: "Flex Design" (a name
registered to other companies in other areas so don't be confused)
http://www.societe.com/societe/saa-gerbier-jose-rodrigo-499868081.html
Finally: his website:
http://www.flex-design.org/
Enter the site and click "Clients":
Ministerio de relaciones Exteriores Cuba
Embajada de Cuba en Francia
Phylo Art, Cuba Humanidad, Cubavison
Note: the Phylo Art site:
was hosted on his server as was the old site of the Cuban embassy in
Paris.
So we have a man that acts as a "Chilean" president of a "French" NGO
that is doing work for the Cuban Minrex and the Cuban embassy in
France.
Facts:
- the Cuban regime sets up and sponsors so-called NGO's in Europe to
support the regime and attack those that expose the propaganda lies
- those NGO's slander attack and intimidate people. The founding
"secretary general" of this group - at whose home address it once was
based - went to jail for racism and has even threatened to kill
people.
He has been expelled by lots of providers for abuses like spamming,
slander, ...
- the Cuban regime falsely passes them off at their Unesco website as
"outsiders" (Chilean, French NGO) while in reality they are part of
the
Minrex propaganda apparatus
It just shows how the Cuban propaganda machine that you are part of
operates
and gets financed.
You and your pals from the "rat pack" are no more than lobbyists,
agents and informants.
On your lies and libelous claims:
And the exposure of the "lobbyist" lie.
Your abuse of misquotes has been exposed over and over again Mr.
serial
Liar.
When you tried to come up with your own new version of the lie
you also fell flat on your face , no?
Remember when you claimed I had been "lobbying" people In Geneva while
your pal "cuba libre" that stalked me then showed from an IP that I
was
in Santiago de Cuba at the time.
Dan's other exposed false claim:
"Taking a little break from arm-twisting in Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/b6375f9783e47aee?q=3Dg:thl174670614d&dq=3D&hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8
A real loser you are.
Below you will find what is behind Dan Christensen's slanderous
campaign: facts he can't deny.
- Frustration
I exposed Dan Christensen as a fraud in this group years ago when I
blew
his "cover". In SCC he tried to portray himself as an "independent
interested party" with no political agenda.
When I came across a blatantly different reply to a similar question
in
a Stalinist e-group to which I had been invited I posted it to show
his
lying hypocrisy.
Since then he has been pissed as hell as it undermined his lying
propaganda effort to mislead "those in the background" (his own words,
those that didn't have "local knowledge". He himself admitted in the
same e-group that propagandist like him can never "convince" those
with
"local knowledge".
In frequent exchanges he got some mad he often forgot to keep up the
presence and made him show his hand and true nature:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary
measures.
In this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
..........................................................................................
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&selm=3DtirG3.176162%245r2.278940%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to
send death squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified under the circumstances."
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&selm=3DtxMG3.176443%245r2.284921%40tor-nn1.netcom.ca
That meant he was exposed a the hypocrite liar he is. It showed that
the
false claims he made about others (support of genocide, torture,
abuses, ..)in fact only applied to him.
I have also frequently exposed his lies about facts and people in SCC.
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting
of your beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=3Dsource&hl=3Den
HIS own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the
United
States: Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and
Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.
Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
Then there is the issue of his lying website: I had pages removed (for
violations of law, slander, ...), have shamed him in to changing it on
various occasions (adding links that would then expose his lies,
remove lying caption from pictures, ...)and have in general exposed
the lies
on it (on Amnesty International for example)
What Dan claimed on his website (the misquote):
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear
its support for the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel
sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "report": (the one Dan didn't give until I shamed him in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=3DENG-CUB
where the only thing Amnesty international asks for "immediately and
unconditionally" is the release of political prisoners.
Quote:
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of
conscience(2) and calls for their immediate and unconditional
release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their
rights to freedom of expression, association and assembly."
en of quote
- Dogmatic hatred.
Dan Christensen is a hard-line Stalinist. His first steps in SCC were
to defend Stalin and in other forums he has praised "workers democracy"
under Stalin.
He has admitted that he is ready to fight to the last Cuban (from his
comfortable armchair in Canada) for his cause.
By posting the reports from the international press, human rights
organizations and Cuban independent journalists I have exposed his
propaganda as a lie. That makes the man wild with rage.
As he like to see himself as the "victim" (he once claimed he was
being censored in SCC) he therefore lashes out at people claiming that
those
that contradict him are "CIA" agents (as if the CIA would care about a
third rate liar as Dan) and professional "lobbyists" probably to make
himself feel that he is "important" and to explain away his complete
propaganda failure (portraying himself as "overcome by unsurmountable
institutional odds").
- Personal hate and the "rat pack"
Dan has suffered the trauma of having part of his website remove
after a long battle over the personal attacks and falsifications he
had posted there.
The frequent exposures of his lies and hypocrisy only fueled the
personal hatred.
Dan ganged up with various other propagandists that people that have
been attacked by them refer to as the "rat pack". I have been the
target of the lies and slanderous insults of this "rat pack".
They specialize in online slander (from posting private information,
attacking their business or businesses they are associated with,
inciting others to harass people, over accusing people of being "CIA
agents" or "lobbyists" to the worst things one can imagine)and direct
harassment (phone calls, letters, letters with razor blades or white
powder, loitering in front of people's houses,.. up to death threats
in France).
All they succeeded in doing was to dramatically increase traffic to a
website I participate in ( www.cubaverdad.net )and to suffer the
consequences of their slander.
Dan Christensen had part of his website removed. The Centre Che in
France had their complete website removed and their "secretary" known
here as "cubalibre" was convicted to 6 months for a whole series of
abuses. A Spanish "subsidiary" of the rat pack still has a surprise
coming.
All because of their lies were exposed.
But then in the end this is what it boils down to:
those that don't have rational arguments find themselves exposed as
the liars they are. When that happens all they have left are the old
slander tactics: they attack the people that expose their lies in the
hope that they can intimidate them.
If Dan Christensen felt he had any chance to convince people directly
he would try to do so by posting facts and arguing facts.
He is reduced to snipping, posting the same snippets over and over
again, lies and slander.
As long as he and the rest of the "rat pack" (and their hangers on)
are reduced to that they expose" their own failure.
Fine by me.
PL
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Tim Hattrell wrote:
I'm 47 ansd I've never seen anything this
disusting in politics in my life. McCain
supporters are embarassing the entire US.
Those are Core Repugnikkkans, always have
been, always will be. Amerikkka is a nation of
pig-ignorant white-trash racists who
*deserved* 9.11 and *deserve* the utter financial
ruin
they've brought upon themselves.
Reap what ye sow! -- Stay the Course !
Too bad for you they're still light-years ahead
of every communist country.
Complete bullshit from chimpy the banana crammin'
simian.
No, it's reality. Americans are richer and more
free than citizens in communist countries.
Complete bullshit.
The statistics don't seem to agree with you
chimpy.....
Prove it, chimp.
Here ya go, chimpy 
http://www.worldfactsandfigures.com/gdp_country_desc.php
Hehehehehe
Hehehehhehe ... the "wealth" in Amerikkka ain't
distributed equally numbnuts.
Same as every other country, chimpy
More bullshit from the chimp.
But you knew that, didn't you?
Yep
World Top Countries with Highest Standard of Living
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Canada
4. Belgium
5. Australia
No sign of communist countries on that list. Hehehehe
If you ignore Socialist Norway and Sweden perhaps ...
Not "perhaps". No communist countries on that list,
chimpy. Certainly no sign of Cuba. Why is that chimpy?
Hehehe
I wonder why? Oh yes..
GDP per capita:
USA: $ 37,800
Cuba: $ 2,800
Yet Cuba has a Health Care stardard that is "light-years"
ahead of the U$A, and the U$$A has such a pathetic infant
mortality rate that 42 (FOURTY TWO) other countries in
the world are BETTER than the U$A.
LOL!
Sure....
http://www.theLIESABOUTcuba.com
Your bullshit anti-Cuba propaganda site carries ZERO
credibility, chimp.
You can prove they are lying?
That a lying chimp like you would cite it is proof enough.
Moronic remark.
More facts here:
http://www.cubamentiras.net
Another bullshit anti-Cuban propaganda site.
Nope.
Information and facts.
Fact is,(snip)
that you snip all the facts in despair
Why do you run from the facts, eh chimp?
I don't.
I reply to your so called facts by posting more facts.
Your anti-Cuban propaganda ain't facts, chimp.
Yep.
Infant Mortality Rates (hint for the chimp: LOWER is Better)
United States 6.30
Korea, South 5.94
Cuba 5.93
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the facts you keep snipping, the ones that expose your lies.
Infant mortality 12.3 in Cienfuegos
SALUD PUBLICA
Aumenta mortalidad infantil en Cienfuegos
CIENFUEGOS, Cuba - 20 de octubre (Carmen Martínez Vilche, Jagua Press /
www.cubanet.org) - La preocupación se apoderó de las autoridades médicas
cienfuegueras el pasado 12 de octubre, al percatarse del incremento que
se registra en la mortalidad infantil en la provincia, que saltó de 5 a
12.3 fallecidos por cada mil nacidos vivos en lo que va de año.
Se desconocen las causas que originaron el incremento del fenómeno. El
problema ha generado tal preocupación que ha obligado a los funcionarios
del Ministerio de Salud Pública y del gobierno a reunirse para
determinar qué deficiencias provocaron esta alza.
Sin embargo, numerosos residentes entrevistados coincidieron en señalar
que este aumento de la mortalidad infantil se debe a la falta de médicos
con experiencia, ya que éstos han sido enviados a diferentes países del
mundo, dejando a la población infantil desprotegida.
http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y05/oct05/21a2.htm
Between 2004 an 2005: increase of 7% (even with large scale abortions of
problem pregnancies)
Las cifras del anuario también reflejan cierto deterioro en 2005 de la
tasa de mortalidad infantil, que llega a 6.2 por 1000 nacidos vivos,
casi un 7% de incremento sobre el nivel de 2004. Este indicador resulta
ciertamente bajo a nivel internacional, pero hay que considerar que
ocurre en un país con una tasa de natalidad muy baja y una extendida
práctica de abortos ante cualquier duda de problemas con el feto.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/25596
On Cuba's "statistics":
Quejas Básicas del Personal de la Salud:
"Estadística falsa del Ministerio de Salud pública al no reportar las
enfermedades nutricionales y ofrecer cifras ínfimas o nulas de
enfermedades infectas contagiosas, SIDA, muertes maternas, mortalidad
infantil, suicidios, embarazos de adolescentes, etc."
Revista Desafíos Año 12, No. 65
http://webstc.org/desafios/desafios5.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/20275
"Desempleo, mortalidad infantil, educación, salud y otros logros de la
propaganda totalitaria son objetos de manipulación. Eso no es un secreto
para nadie, aunque no son pocos los que se hacen eco de esas informaciones.
Podemos apreciar cómo organismos de reconocido prestigio publican en sus
páginas informaciones económicas y sociales como si fueran el diario Granma
o la Mesa Redonda. Otros, un poco más profesionales, sólo ponen en sus
estadísticas dos letras N/D (no disponibles)."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/14941
"Cuba dice tener una tasa de mortalidad infantil ligeramente más baja que la
de Estados Unidos, pero luego de una "extensa investigación" el Sentinel
afirma que "esta afirmación es imprecisa".
"La realidad es que los médicos cubanos son presionados para que falseen la
tasa de mortalidad infantil", dice el Sentinel.
El artículo revela que la tasa de mortalidad infantil en Cuba en niños de 1
a 4 años es 34% más alta que la de Estados Unidos (11.8 vs. 8.8 por mil).
Por otra parte, se asegura que la tasa de mortalidad materna en Cuba es casi
cuatro veces la de Estados Unidos (33 vs. 8.4 por mil).
El artículo de The Medical Sentinel señala que sólo el 25% de los médicos
graduados en Cuba aprueba la reválida que exige Estados Unidos para
practicar la medicina en este país."
Mira : http://www.contactomagazine.com/medicos1013.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/146
"Según las cifras oficiales, Cuba tiene una tasa de mortalidad infantil de
7.3 por cada 1,000 nacidos vivos, la más baja de América Latina y una de
las
más bajas del mundo, algo que Castro cita siempre como uno de los grandes
logros de su régimen en materia de salud.
The Medical Sentinel señaló que a pesar de esta cifra, el régimen cubano
oculta que la mortalidad infantil en la isla, en el grupo de uno a cuatro
años de edad, es de 11.8 por cada 1,000.
"Esa cifra es 34 veces más alta que en Estados Unidos", señaló el artículo."
http://www.cubdest.org/0012/c1024not.html
El fraude de las estadísticas de la dictadura castrista sobre la mortalidad
infantil
Por Bert Corzo
El objeto de este artículo es el de exponer la verdad sobre el mito de la
tiranía castrista acerca de la mortalidad infantil.
En informes del gobierno publicados por el diario oficial Granma, enero del
2001, éste se vanagloriaba que en el 2000 la mortalidad infantil en Cuba
estuvo entre las más bajas del mundo, 7.2 por mil nacidos vivos, cifra de
muy dudosa veracidad como veremos en los datos suministrados más adelante.
Las estadísticas de la ONU señalan que Cuba tuvo en 1957 una mortalidad
infantil de 32 por mil nacidos vivos, la más baja en América Latina. Esta
cifra colocó a Cuba en la posición número 13 a nivel mundial, al frente de
países como Austria, Bélgica, Corea del Sur, España, Francia, Grecia,
Israel, Italia, Japón y Portugal. En la actualidad todos esos países se
encuentran delante de Cuba, la cual ocupa el lugar 29 a nivel mundial. No
está lejano el día en que podamos comprobar la veracidad sobre dichas
estadísticas.
Los datos y opiniones que se exponen a continuación han sido emitidos por
organizaciones médicas, la ONU, periodistas independientes dentro de Cuba y
por doctores en medicina.
El siguiente artículo publicado en The Medical Sentinel 2000, órgano
oficial
de the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, revela lo siguiente:
"La dictadura castrista dice tener una mortalidad infantil más baja
que
Estados Unidos. Pero cuando se examina más a fondo, se comprueba que dicho
reclamo es falso. La realidad es que los médicos en Cuba son presionados
para que usen todos los medios a su alcance para distorsionar la mortalidad
infantil, siendo recompensados financieramente los que se prestan a dicha
infamia.
"El mantenimiento artificial de la vida de los infantes durante el
primer año de nacidos, con el objeto de alcanzar una meta numérica en la
mortalidad infantil en determinado sector de la salud pública, es practica
común en el sistema cubano. La tasa de mortalidad infantil en Cuba desde
1 a
4 años es un 34 por ciento mayor que en Estados Unidos (11.8 por mil contra
8.8 por mil). También la mortalidad maternal en Cuba es casi cuatro veces
mayor que en Estados Unidos (33 por 1000 contra 8.4 por 1000). La
mortalidad
infantil en Cuba, bajo estas circunstancias, no es representativa del
bienestar y el nivel de vida de la población."
El Dr. Juan Felipe García MD, Jacksonville, Florida, abril 2001, en
entrevistas con médicos cubanos recién llegados, recopiló la siguiente
información:
"La estadística peri-natal del gobierno cubano es un fraude. Cuando un
niño nace, el pediatra es condenado si reporta estadísticas adversas,
por lo
tanto, se falsifican fechas en historias clínicas para que los niños
'mueran' después del primer año (La mortalidad perinatal está definida por
los muertos dentro del primer año de vida). Si un médico reporta un
resultado adverso para la 'Revolución', cae en desgracia y le puede costar
desde un castigo severo, hasta el trabajo. Los niños 'no pueden morir
después de nacidos' y menos en la sala de parto."
Mario Enrique Mayo de la Agencia Félix Varela, reportó desde Camagüey para
Nueva Prensa Cubana, el 26 de enero, 2003, lo siguiente:
"A la doctora Olga Oropeza, una especialista del hospital materno
provincial Ana Betancourt, se le amonestó por haber dejado nacer vivo a un
niño, de bajo peso, en la ciudad de Camagüey.
"El vicedirector de asistencia médica, doctor Leonardo Ramírez, le
hizo
el reproche a la galena porque eso afectaba la cifra de mortalidad
infantil.
Esta censura fue realizada el 30 de diciembre, cuando se hacían las
informaciones de fin de año sobre la mortalidad infantil."
Esta noticia corrobora la información anterior de médicos cubanos recién
llegados al exilio.
Lo relatado a continuación, sólo sucede en la actualidad en países muy
atrasados, supuestamente no debiera suceder en una "POTENCIA MÉDICA" como
Cuba.
María Elena Rodríguez, reportera de Cuba Voz, el 25 de junio de 2001,
reportó:
"Hospitales infantiles de la ciudad de La Habana no disponen de
reactivos químicos para efectuar pruebas de laboratorio clínico de vital
importancia en la emisión de un diagnóstico preciso.
'Hace seis meses que no se puede realizar la prueba de sangre para
detectar la fiebre tifoidea y tampoco la eritrosedimentación', dijo una
técnica de laboratorio del hospital materno infantil del municipio Diez de
Octubre de Ciudad de La Habana.
Otros hospitales de la capital que carecen de productos químicos para
análisis de sangre son los pediátricos del Cerro, de Centro Habana, de San
Miguel del Padrón, así como el Arturo Aballí y el Instituto de Reumatología
de adultos que se encuentra en la antigua clínica Dependiente."
Juan Carlos Linares reportó desde La Habana, el 22 de agosto de 2001, para
CubaNet lo siguiente:
"Más de 80 niños contagiados con meningoencefalitis equina han sido
atendidos en el hospital Pediátrico del Cerro (antigua Católicas
Cubanas) en
las últimas semanas.
"La cifra evidencia que se trata de una epidemia, y no por gusto el
Ministerio de Salud Pública designó al Pediátrico del Cerro -enclavado
en el
municipio del mismo nombre en la capital cubana- para que atendiera los
casos de mayor gravedad que se presentaran. 'Aunque está previsto que otros
hospitales de Ciudad de La Habana prestarán su asistencia si la enfermedad
se extiende', indicó la fuente.
La prensa independiente cubana ha informado en los últimos tiempos
sobre
diferentes problemas de salud en la capital de Cuba, sin embargo los medios
nacionales no publican nada, absolutamente nada sobre este tipo de temas."
José Izquierdo, Güines, Grupo Decoro / www.cubanet.org, 3 de julio 2002,
reportó:
"Una invasión de garrapatas causó el cierre temporal de la sala ocho,
especializada en pediatría, del hospital Aleida Fernández, ubicado en
Güines, provincia La Habana.
No sabemos qué hacer, el estado higiénico del hospital es
deplorable. Es
común encontrarse con grandes cantidades de cucarachas, mosquitos,
ratones y
ahora garrapatas."
Víctor Rolando Arroyo, PINAR DEL RÍO, UPECI / www.cubanet.org, 6 de agosto,
2002, reportó:
"La escasez de biberones en el hospital pediátrico de la provincia
cubana Pinar del Río es la causa por la que a los niños ingresados en esa
instalación se les alimenta en pomos desechables de suero, si los padres no
llevan sus propios utensilios para la lactancia de los menores. Sin
embargo,
en las tiendas dolarizadas hay abundantes existencias de biberones
fabricados en China, lo que echa por tierra el argumento del embargo
estadounidense."
Beatriz del Carmen Pedroso, La Habana, Carta De Cuba, agosto 27, 2002,
reportó:
"La crítica situación en el Hospital Pediátrico Juan Manuel Márquez,
ubicado en Avenida 41 en el municipio capitalino de Marianao, determinó el
cierre total de las salas de atención a enfermedades diarreicas agudas por
falta de higiene, y dos de sus salones quirúrgicos con que cuenta esta
instalación de salud, al carecer de equipos de climatización y balones de
oxígeno.
"Es lamentable que se pospongan o no se realicen intervenciones
quirúrgicas a niños con diferentes dolencias, algunas de urgencia, y que
los
tengamos que remitir con urgencia a otros hospitales para concluir la
operación', admitió un funcionario del hospital.
"El Juan Manuel Márquez fue edificado en la década de los años 90,
pero
su construcción es deficiente, ya que la mayoría de sus paredes están
agrietadas y existen filtraciones en los techos."
Dorka de Céspedes / HavanaPress, Nueva Prensa Cubana (www.nuevaprensa.org),
reportó desde La Habana, noviembre 14, 2002:
"Diferentes brotes de leptospirosis -comúnmente conocida como "la
enfermedad del ratón"-, dentro y fuera de la capital cubana, han obligado a
jóvenes trabajadores de salud pública a aplicar el veneno contra las rata,
conocido por Biorat.
"Hasta el momento se han reportado 3 niños fallecidos a causa de la
leptospirosis, en el municipio habanero de Güines. Y numerosos casos
aislados en zonas capitalinas. La causa aparente de este nuevo brote es la
aparición de ratas, después de la limpieza intensiva en las áreas
metropolitanas."
Alicia Zamora Labrada, Lux Info Press / www.cubanet.org, La Habana, 15 de
diciembre, 2002, reportó:
"La dirección provincial del ministerio de Salud Pública ordenó el
cierre inmediato del Hospital Materno - Infantil "Lebredo", aledaño al
Hospital General Docente "Julio Trigo" (antiguo Sanatorio La Esperanza)
ubicado en el Km. 7 de la Calzada a Bejucal en el municipio Arroyo Naranjo
de la capital.
"La información fue suministrada a esta agencia por la doctora Rayma
Alonso, especialista en Ginecobstetricia.
"La aplicación de tan urgente medida se debe a la crítica situación en
que se encontraba la instalación hospitalaria y que ha sido denunciada por
trabajadores del Sindicato Independiente de la Salud, afiliado a la
Confederación Obrera Nacional Independiente de Cuba (CONIC)."
El Anuario Estadístico de la ONU informa lo siguiente:
"Cuba es el país con la menor tasa de natalidad en América Latina y el
país con el mayor número de abortos en el mundo, 0.71 aborto por cada
nacimiento vivo en 1991, dos veces el índice de los otro países (Datos
basados en estadísticas oficiales del gobierno cubano)".
"La terminación selectiva de los 'embarazos de alto riesgo' hace
descender el índice de mortalidad infantil."
El Nuevo Herald, en la edición del 23 de Septiembre del 2000, publicó lo
siguiente:
"Más de 3 millones de abortos en 30 años. Cuba es una de las naciones
del mundo con más altos índices de abortos. Las estadísticas oficiales lo
demuestran. Por ejemplo, entre 1968 y 1992 se realizaron 2.9 millones de
interrupciones de embarazo, y de 1993 a 1997 se llevaron a cabo 424,214
abortos. De esto resulta que, en las últimas tres décadas, se han
practicado
más de tres millones de interrupciones de embarazo. En los últimos años,
las
autoridades de salud han reconocido que hay un significativo aumento del
número de embarazadas menores de 20 años, con todo lo que eso implica de
peligro para esas jóvenes y los trastornos familiares que esto trae
consigo."
Dr. Ricardo Alfonso N., Cirujano, Caracas Venezuela, 17 de diciembre
de1999,
en carta abierta a Hugo Chávez dice:
"Es de hacer notar, que sólo los que hemos estado en ese ´PARAISO' y
conocemos desde adentro la medicina Cubana, podemos afirmar (quiero aclarar
que como médico hago esta afirmación), que la medicina Cubana es una de las
grandes mentiras de este siglo, es una medicina primitiva, que se remonta a
los años 50, donde no hay ni el menor conocimiento de la medicina moderna
"Hasta cuándo el engaño, Señor Presidente, la medicina cubana es 'UNA
GRAN MENTIRA', su interferón, su vacuna de la hepatitis B, su tratamiento
del SIDA, sus trasplantes de Huesos, etc.
"Los que hemos estado en Cuba y somos médicos sabemos que los
Hospitales
no funcionan, no hay sábanas, no hay medicinas, los niños mueren de mengua,
y no hablo por hablar, estuve viendo un nene, en el Hospital de Marianao,
por que un familiar me lo pidió, allá en Cuba y no había nada con que
tratarlo y no conocían las medicinas modernas."
Gonzalo Guimaraens en su artículo "Vacuna cubana contra la menningitis:
ineficacia comprobada", publicado en amigospais- guaracabuya.org, Julio
2000, dice lo siguiente:
"Un estudio del conceptuado Centro de Vigilancia Epidemiológica (CVE)
del Estado de São Paulo, Brasil, dado a conocer recientemente, recopila
datos estadísticos demoledores acumulados durante los últimos años que
muestran la ineficacia de la vacuna cubana contra la meningitis B en los
niños menores de cuatro años, los más vulnerables a esa terrible
enfermedad.
Después de dar claras y minuciosas informaciones sobre testes efectuados en
São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Santiago de Chile e Islandia, afirma: "Los
estudios realizados con la administración de la vacuna cubana en los
menores
de cuatro años de edad -frecuentemente el grupo de mayor riesgo para
contraer esa enfermedad- no presentaron evidencias significativas de
protección. Por lo tanto, esa vacuna no debe ser recomendada como medida
profiláctica de la enfermedad meningocócica del grupo B, para niños menores
de cuatro años.
"El mito publicitario sobre la vacuna cubana contra la meningitis B
cobró impulso internacional en noviembre de 1988, en Atlanta, durante un
congreso internacional de medicina. En las sesiones, causó impacto la
presentación de un estudio efectuado por investigadores de la isla sobre
los
aparentemente excelentes resultados preventivos de dicha vacuna,
desarrollada por el Centro Nacional de Biopreparados de Cuba. Creyendo a
pies juntillas en esos alegados resultados, la Secretaría de Salud del
Estado de São Paulo, Brasil, y posteriormente el propio Ministerio de Salud
de ese país, encomendaron a Cuba durante 1989 y 1990 más de 15 millones de
dosis, en valores que sumaron centenas de millones de dólares.
"El negocio para Cuba comunista fue redondo. Para muchos niños
brasileños, lo que vino fue la decepción. Una década después de esa
malograda experiencia, el Centro de Vigilancia Epidemiológica (CVE) del
Estado de São Paulo ha dado a conocer este informe con resultados
concluyentes. Más vale tarde que nunca, dice el refrán. 'Brasil ya gastó
300
millones de dólares con una vacuna cubana que no presentó resultados',
lamentó el Dr. Isaías Raw, director del conocido Instituto Butantan de São
Paulo, especializado en biotecnología. El CVE ha presentado hechos y
estadísticas que hablan por sí, y que contribuyen a desmitificar otro de
los
supuestos "logros" de la medicina cubana, tan alardeados por el régimen
comunista y por sus seguidores en el mundo entero."
El Dr. Miguel Ángel García Puñales en su escrito "El Sistema Sanitario
Cubano", dice lo siguiente:
"Existe en Cuba más de un sistema sanitario, el que funciona para la
clase dirigente y los turistas y al que tiene alcance el pueblo. No es un
sistema público, pues el pueblo solo tiene acceso a una parte de él, la
menos beneficiada.
"No es gratuito, por cuanto los trabajadores son gravados desde
1962 con
un impuesto sobre el salario cuyo destino tenía la salubridad y los
medicamentos que hoy son prácticamente inexistentes y que siempre han sido
cobrados.
"En mi tránsito por el Sistema Nacional de Salud, fui profesor en la
enseñanza posgraduada, jefe de departamento en un instituto de
investigación, vice-director docente en un hospital y jefe de un
departamento de desarrollo en el organismo central del MINSAP, precisamente
en el área de información.
"En todo ese tiempo pude observar cómo se encubren los resultados del
trabajo sanitario, manipulando o simplemente desapareciendo la información.
"Los indicadores estadísticos de causa de muerte, por ejemplo, son
clasificados desde 1985 y el común de los analistas ignora que cada año se
suicidan más cubanos que los caídos en 11 años de guerras sudafricanas, es
decir, casi dos mil fallecidos anuales durante una década; que se produce
casi un aborto por cada niño que nace, con la complicidad ruin de la
estadística que se empeña en clasificar un por ciento de ellos como
'regulaciones menstruales'; de enfermedades de declaración obligatoria que
se ocultan a la opinión pública en aras de evitar trastornos en un carnaval
político, como ocurrió con el brote epidémico de Dengue en 1997 y que costó
prisión al Dr. Dessi Mendoza por cumplir su deber ciudadano de informarlo a
la prensa independiente."
Obviamente estos hechos no deberían suceder en la supuesta "POTENCIA
MÉDICA"
de acuerdo con la propaganda de los alabarderos de la tiranía castrista.
Esta es la triste realidad, son hechos que demuestran lo contrario de lo
que
afirma sobre este tema la propaganda de la tiranía. Si esta alardea
tanto de
que es una potencia médica y ofrece ayudas en medicamentos y en personal
médico a otros países, ¿por qué descuida tanto al pueblo cubano?.
Basándonos
en los datos y opiniones expuestos en este artículo podemos preguntarnos,
¿la mortalidad infantil mejoró o empeoró?
Desgraciadamente, a pesar de los mejores esfuerzos de los sacrificados
médicos cubanos, la Isla se ha convertido en una "IMPOTENCIA MÉDICA".
http://www.cubanet.org/opi/02190301.htm
This is all needed to expose the Cuban statistics fro what they are:
Raul Castro:
"The Revolution cannot lie," he said in comments published by the
Communist Party newspaper Granma. "This isn't saying that there have
been comrades who have lied, but the imprecision, inexact data,
consciously or unconsciously masked, can no longer continue."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/27657
Medical:
from www.promedmail.org archive number 19970627.1390
"People emigrating from Cuba or visiting Cuba, including international
health representatives, have reported that it is in line with Cuban
Government policy to report mild cases of dengue as "influenza". Cuban
physicians have confirmed allegations that some disease reporting in
Cuba is politically influenced"
"WHO and the PanAmerican Health Organization (WHO's Regional Office for
the Western Hemisphere) cannot report to the world without clearance
from the Cuban government."
http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1001:::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000%2C2802
Michael Thiede is Senior Research Officer in the Health Economics Unit
of the Department of Public Health and Primary Health Care at the
University of Cape Town, South Africa. He writes: " Last year I spent
three months in Cuba. I am still motivated to put together some papers
on Cuban health care. Unfortunately, however, during my stay I was
only able to get hold of the official statistical data and find them
not especially trustworthy.
http://www.stanford.edu/group/wais/cuba_healthcarestatistics62202.html
(link now broken)
On the state of Cuban health service:
Patient set to return from Cuba nightmare
ANXIOUS supporters of a Rugby man stuck in an 'awful' Cuban hospital are
hoping for his imminent return.
As reported in last week's Advertiser, Stephen O'Neill, of Railway
Terrace, suffered a heart attack while holidaying last month.
It's hoped the 41-year-old will now be back home by Saturday. His carer,
Sue Hartland, of Ambleside, Brownsover, said: "It's been a nightmare for
us. But he is looking forward to coming home and we just want him back."
The 41-year-old - who suffers from Friedreich Attaxia, an inherited
condition which attacks the nervous system - took the holiday last month.
After previous trips to Central America, wheelchair-bound Stephen
decided to go to Cuba with Sue and her husband Graeme.
However, just days into the break, Stephen - who had earlier complained
of feeling unwell - was found 'screaming for help' in his bed.
Sue - who has cared for him for seven years - took him to hospital close
to Holguin, where they were staying.
She said: "There was blood and urine in the wards and graffiti
everywhere. If someone had sent your loved one into a hospital like
that, you would get them out there and then. It was awful - seeing him
linked up to tubes in a hospital you wouldn't put your dog in."
After contacting his parents, the couple then made sure he could recover
in an intensive care unit before returning home themselves.
Travel company representatives are in regular contact with Stephen, who
is now recuperating.
Meanwhile, his father Pat O'Neill said the family were going through
'hell' waiting for him to return safely.
As reported last week, Mr. O'Neill and his wife Coral claim they face
bills totaling thousands of pounds after it was revealed Stephen had no
insurance.
Mr. O'Neill and Mrs. Hartland thanked everyone helping the efforts to
get Stephen back.
Last Updated: 24 May 2007
Source: http://www.rugbyreviewtoday.co.uk/news?articleid=2902327
Archive copy: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/31261
http://www.cubaverdad.net/apartheid_in_cuba.htm#II._Medical_apartheid.
On undernourishment in Cuba:
Cuba has undernourishment to the tune of 13% of its population (2003)
and 7% of Cubans even today receive WFP food aid.
Cuba has widespread undernourishment.
"At least 13 percent of the population is clinically undernourished, as the
state's food rationing system now provides for only a week to 10 days of
basic nutritional needs each month. Rations began to shrink with the
start of Cuba's so-called | |
