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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Britain will veto EU attempts to remove sovereignty: Str |
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| Quote: | Because we do not want to be taken over, Germany tried that once and failed,
now they are trying, but without a war.
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The whole continent is dreaming to invade the UK. Secretly, Each
decision we take is to achieve this goal. Germans have freezed all
NAZI leaders during 50 years. Now they are back in business.
Brussels has the mark of the beast:
2^20/21*21%4+10²+1^7=666.
BLAIR is also 666 (B+L-A+I-R=666).
I'm currently calculating the brown's number.
You cannot trust continental foreigners. All of them, 450 millions,
have been programmed to hate the UK. Princess Diana was murdered by a
psychotic drunk French driver. In fact, he has been brainwashed by the
secret order of the teutonic knights.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Britain will veto EU attempts to remove sovereignty: Str |
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| Quote: | Eventually you will have to choose .. otherwise you might end up like
the boy with two biscuits who could not choose between them.... and
hesitated so long that they both crumbled and he was left with empty
hands. And the time that you could bake your own biscuits are over,
the world moved on since the British Empire peaked.
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where did you hear that story?
Isn't that the story/problem of "the donkey of Buridan" (French philosopher
of 13century) ?
The donkey must choose between two bales of straw , but he can't choose....
and finaly dies....
So the question is : is the donkey indifferent?
Answer is no....: because otherwise he would have picked one of them.... he
just can't choose.
(it's used in economics for consumer preferences  )
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Britain will veto EU attempts to remove sovereignty: Str |
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| Quote: | Mm. I doubt I could see a beer can at that distance, much less hit one.
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Christian Feldhaus
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Britain will veto EU attempts to remove sovereignty: Str |
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rosignol <rosignol@nwlink.com> wrote:
| Quote: | That's what I understood you to mean. We don't have what
you call 'basic service'.
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Yes, I know. What got me a bit confused was that in another message you
mentioned Switzerland - and AFAIK the Swiss "defense concept" is indeed
somewhat different from, say, the German one :-)
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marbel
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Britain will veto EU attempts to remove sovereignty: Str |
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:03:15 +0200, wrote "wim" <noreply@world.com> :
| Quote: | Eventually you will have to choose .. otherwise you might end up like
the boy with two biscuits who could not choose between them.... and
hesitated so long that they both crumbled and he was left with empty
hands. And the time that you could bake your own biscuits are over,
the world moved on since the British Empire peaked.
where did you hear that story?
Isn't that the story/problem of "the donkey of Buridan" (French philosopher
of 13century) ?
The donkey must choose between two bales of straw , but he can't choose....
and finaly dies....
So the question is : is the donkey indifferent?
Answer is no....: because otherwise he would have picked one of them.... he
just can't choose.
(it's used in economics for consumer preferences )
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That is probabely where I picked it up; I studied Commercial
Economics. Though it may also have been an adaption; if many people
heard the story, as is likely if it is 13th century, there are bound
to be a lot of variations.
Marjolein
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Legal Tender
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Why not Flat Tax |
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Nothing wrong with a flat tax..... 10% of a million is $100,000. 10% of
$30,000 is $3,000. That means the "rich" guy pays in $100,000 and the
"Poor" guy pays in $3,000.. The rich guy pays in 66% more than the poor
guy....
Or do you just want the rich guy to pay 100% and you nothing (0%).. We could
only do this once, cause next year the rich guy won't be rich and all his
employees will be out of work....
Frank
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Resume: George W. Bush (Hilarious and True) |
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"Mark" <Mark@spam.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Bragging about 132? Sad. That puts you in the bottom 99%.
When you grow up and reach 140, then brag.
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Who's bragging? The poster put up some stats stating that George Bush was
voted for by people with a low IQ. I responded with information to the
contrary.
You really expect anyone to believe you have a 140 IQ and can't even grasp a
concept that simple?
brad
| Quote: | Brad <btenney@charter.net> wrote in message
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I would love to see how these averages were derived. Did you just
guess?
I'm pretty certain there wasn't a test given to everyone in the state.
brad
P.S. I have a 132 IQ and voted for Bush, what do you make of that?
Statistical anomaly?
"Robert Calvert" <Hercules1@pcstarnet.com> wrote in message
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When you take a look at the kind of people who voted for Duhhbya, I
suppose
this shouldn't be too surprising.
States arranged by average IQ score:
(1) Connecticut..................113 $26,979 Gore
(2) Massachusetts..............111 $24,059 Gore
(3) New Jersey..................111 $26,457 Gore
(4) New York....................109 $23,534 Gore
(5) Rhode Island................107 $20,299 Gore
(6) Hawaii..........................106 $21,218 Gore
(7) Maryland......................105 $22,974 Gore
( New Hampshire............105 $22,934 Bush
(9) Illinois...........................104 $21,608
Gore
(10) Delaware....................103 $21,451 Gore
(11) Minnesota...................102 $20,049 Gore
(12) Vermont......................102 $18,834 Gore
(13) Washington.................102 $20,398 Gore
(14) California....................101 $21,278 Gore
(15) Pennsylvania...............101 $20,253 Gore
(16) Maine.........................100 $18,226 Gore
(17) Virginia.......................100 $20,629 Bush
(1 Wisconsin...................100 $18,727 Gore
(19) Colorado.....................99 $20,124 Bush
(20) Iowa............................99 $18,287 Gore
(21) Michigan......................99 $19,508 Gore
(22) Nevada........................99 $20,266 Bush
(23) Ohio............................99 $18,624
Bush
(24) Oregon........................99 $18,202 Gore
(25) Alaska.........................98 $21,603 Bush
(26) Florida.........................98 $19,397 Bush
(27) Missouri.......................98 $18,835 Bush
(2 Kansas.........................96 $19,376 Bush
(29) Nebraska.....................95 $19,084 Bush
(30) Arizona........................94 $17,119 Bush
(31) Indiana.........................94 $18,043 Bush
(32) Tennessee....................94 $17,341 Bush
(33) North Carolina.............93 $17,667 Bush
(34) West Virginia...............93 $15,065 Bush
(35) Arkansas.....................92 $15,439 Bush
(36) Georgia........................92 $18,130 Bush
(37) Kentucky.....................92 $16,534 Bush
(3 New Mexico................92 $15,353 Gore
(39) North Dakota...............92 $16,854 Bush
(40) Texas...........................92 $17,892 Bush
(41) Alabama.......................90 $16,220 Bush
(42) Louisiana......................90 $15,712 Bush
(43) Montana.......................90 $16,062 Bush
(44) Oklahoma.....................90 $16,198 Bush
(45) South Dakota................90 $16,558 Bush
(46) South Carolina..............89 $15,989 Bush
(47) Wyoming......................89 $17,423 Bush
(4 Idaho............................87 $16,067 Bush
(49) Utah..............................87 $15,325
Bush
(50) Mississippi....................85 $14,088 Bush
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On 19 Jun 2003 10:36:34 -0700, kevprice1@yahoo.com (Kevin)
wrote:
As disgusting as his resume is, it all appears to be true.
What's
it
say about the current state of America that he continues to be
popular
with so many? I'm totally dismayed at what America, and
Americans,
have become.
perhaps one should watch for the urge to use the outstretched
arm,
like that guy in the wheel chair played by Peter Sellers?
THOM
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RESUME:
GEORGE W. BUSH
The White House
USA
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for congress and lost. I produced a Hollywood slasher B
movie.
I
bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas;
company
went
bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the
Texas
Rangers
baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using
taxpayer
money.
Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With
my
father's
help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
I changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made
Texas
the
most
polluted state in the Union. I replaced Los Angeles with
Houston
as
the
most
smog ridden city in America. I cut taxes and bankrupted the
Texas
government
to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set record for
most
executions
by any Governor in American history. I became president after
losing
the
popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my
fathers
appointments
to the Supreme Court.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I attacked two countries. I spent the surplus and bankrupted
the
treasury. I
shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. I set
economic
record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month
period.
I set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the
stock
market.
I am the first president in decades to execute a federal
prisoner.
I
am
the
first president in US history to enter office with a criminal
record.
In the first year in office I set the all-time record for
most
days
on
vacation by any president in US history. After taking the
entire
month
of
August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security
failure
in
US
history.
I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any
other
president in US history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost
their
job. I
cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than
any
president
in US history.
I signed more laws and executive orders amending the
Constitution
than
any
president in US history. I presided over the biggest energy
crises
in
US
history and refused to intervene when corruption was
revealed.
I
presided
over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to
use
the
national reserves as past presidents have.
I cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
simultaneously
take
to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering
the
record
for
protest against any person in the history of mankind.
I dissolved more international treaties than any president in
US
history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration
in
US
history.
(The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice has a
Chevron
oil
tanker
named after her).
I am the first president in US history to order a US attack
and
military
occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the
will
of
the
United Nations and the world community. I created the
largest
government
department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending
increases,
more
than any president in US history. I am the first president in
US
history to
have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights
commission. I
am the first president in US history to have the United
Nations
remove
the
US from the elections monitoring board.
I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount
of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration
in
US
history.
I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. I withdrew
from
the
World
Court of Law. I refused to allow inspectors access to US
prisoners
of
war
and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
I am the first president in US history to refuse United
Nations
election
inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most
corporate
campaign
donations. My biggest lifetime campaign contributor, who is
also
one
of
my
best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate
bankruptcy
frauds
in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron
Corporation).
I, with a policy of "disengagement," created the most hostile
Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years. I am the
first
US
president in history to have a majority of the people of
Europe
(71%)
view
my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and
stability.
I am the first US president in history to have the people of
South
Korea
more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor,
North
Korea.
I failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden "dead or
alive."
I
failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the
leaders
of
our
country at the United States Capitol building. After 18
months
I
have
no
leads and zero suspects. In the 18 months following the 911
attacks
I
have
successfully prevented any public investigation into the
biggest
security
failure in the history of the United States.
I removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans
than
any
other
president in US history. In a little over two years I created
the
most
divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US
has
ever
been
since the civil war.
I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and
in
less
than
two years turned every single economic category heading
straight
down.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
I have At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine
(Texas
driving
record has been erased and is not available). I was AWOL from
National
Guard
and deserted the military during a time of war. I refuse to
take
drug
test
or even answer any questions about drug use. All records of
my
tenure
as
governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers
library,
sealed
in
secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any
SEC
investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies
are
sealed
in
secrecy and unavailable for public view. All minutes of
meetings
for
any
public corporation I served on the board are sealed in
secrecy
and
unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from
meetings
I
(or
my
VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in
secrecy
and
unavailable for public review. For personal references please
speak
to
my
daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their
offices
of
the
Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)
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"Robert Calvert" <Hercules1@pcstarnet.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | But your employer entered into a trade of goods for services. He
decided
to
"purchase" your asset. Yes, your personal time and labor is considered
to
be a purchasable asset. It was a transaction, not a gift.
So you're admitting that there should be a double standard here?
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What double standard?
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You didn't, you said the money wasn't earned. It was.
But this takes us back to the bank robbing argument. "I may not have
earned
it, but somebody did. "
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And it was stolen by the robber, and therefore illegally obtained. It would
never be taxed because it does not legally belong to the robber. It's a
totally different, and useless analogy.
| Quote: | The typical home in Alpharetta GA, a fairly middle class area, runs
around
$700,000-$1,000,000. Add to that a car, and savings and you have a fair
sum
of money.
I don't know of any middle class person who owns a $700,000 home.
Especially
in a state like Georgia.
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Try again. Go to Alpharetta and try to get a home.
"Especially in a state like GA"? What's that supposed to mean? Obviously
not that you know anything about what you are talking about.
| Quote: | Just because you would have gladly done this, or gladly done that does
not
give you the right to apropriate someone elses posessions to be
distributed
elsewhere?
But this is not what the discussion is about. It could be argued that all
taxation is theft. But for the majority of people (including most
Republicans) it is agreed that the government does have the right to
impose
some level of taxation. And if we proceed from this assumption, then it
should be obvious to any reasonable person that repealing a tax on a huge
unearned income is stupid, vulgar and backward. Even if I was violently
opposed to all taxation, I wouldn't even think about touching the estate
tax
until I had already repealed all other taxes. And even then, I might think
twice.
Robert
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"Jeffrey Scott Linder" <linder.one@osu.edu> wrote in message
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| >Because it hurts the working poor, further concentrating wealth in a
small
| >group. The wealthy today have many loopholes to avoid much of their tax.
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| Do you have any data to support that claim?
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| Define wealthy.
| Tell us how much they should be paying.
How about a flat tax on net worth(wealth)? Sounds good to me.
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| >Where would all the tax lawyers, accountants and bureaucrats find work?
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| Blame the government.
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AD C
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Britain will veto EU attempts to remove sovereignty: Str |
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"Olivier Laurent" <oliderid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Because we do not want to be taken over, Germany tried that once and
failed,
now they are trying, but without a war.
The whole continent is dreaming to invade the UK. Secretly, Each
decision we take is to achieve this goal. Germans have freezed all
NAZI leaders during 50 years. Now they are back in business.
Brussels has the mark of the beast:
2^20/21*21%4+10²+1^7=666.
BLAIR is also 666 (B+L-A+I-R=666).
I'm currently calculating the brown's number.
You cannot trust continental foreigners. All of them, 450 millions,
have been programmed to hate the UK. Princess Diana was murdered by a
psychotic drunk French driver. In fact, he has been brainwashed by the
secret order of the teutonic knights.
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AD C
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Britain will veto EU attempts to remove sovereignty: Str |
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"marbel" <m.noyce@hccnet.nl> wrote in message
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| Quote: | We would rather set out own foreign and defence policy.
Is that better?
Much better. Rather unrealistic though 
Currently you are perceived as the USA's lapdog, and with some
validity. How often has dear Tony had any influence with Bush, the
past year? Who dictated your policies?
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Blair have dictated our policies, we are no ones lapdog, blair may be, but
the country is not.
I do not agree with Blair and I did not agree with the war, in fact i still
do not, but Blair was not forced into supporting the U.S, he did it on his
own back.
TBH, he took a brave move, it could and still can, put him out of office.
| Quote: | Many people in Brittain believe their interests are best served by
sticking with the USA whilst pretending being regarded as a valuable
partner. Others feel that though the European Union is not perfect, at
least they have impact in how it will evolve *if* they participate
enough.
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We need to be partner to both the E.U and the U.S, but we should have to be
joined at the hip, we do not have to be part of the U.s or the E.U.
| Quote: | Eventually you will have to choose .. otherwise you might end up like
the boy with two biscuits who could not choose between them.... and
hesitated so long that they both crumbled and he was left with empty
hands. And the time that you could bake your own biscuits are over,
the world moved on since the British Empire peaked.
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Hopefully we will choose to break away from the U.s and E.U, hopefully we
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AD C
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Britain will veto EU attempts to remove sovereignty: Str |
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"Patrick Ahrer" <ahrer@gmx.at> wrote in message
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| Quote: | We do not need the French or Germans to help us, they will turn round and
attak us as well.
Ever thought about the fact that British soldiers would also be part
of common armed forces? I doubt they'd go along with those bad
Germans.
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Geo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Why not Flat Tax |
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Roger wrote:
| Quote: | "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote in message
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Roger wrote:
And where did this property come from? Picking electrons from the ether?
Or
did that property come from the country that dares tax you for the
common
good?
The libertarians only get concerned with this problem when their student
loans have to be repaid.
And a few of them, by the time their loans are paid, have learned enough
about real life to realize that libertarianism is an impractical joke.
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Why? Because they dare to follow the Constitution?
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Jeffrey Scott Linder
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"Man o' Leisure" <loafer@ease.net> wrote:
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"Jeffrey Scott Linder" <linder.one@osu.edu> wrote in message
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| "dave" <dave@gbronline.com> wrote:
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| >Because it hurts the working poor, further concentrating wealth in a
small
| >group. The wealthy today have many loopholes to avoid much of their tax.
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| Define wealthy.
| Tell us how much they should be paying.
How about a flat tax on net worth(wealth)? Sounds good to me.
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How do you propose determining net worth? What happens to you're
grandmother's nest egg that provides her with interest income so that
she might live comfortably? When her assests are taxed out of
existence are you going to take her in or will you ask someone else to
pay even more so that she can live on public assistance?
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