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Jackney Sneeb
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 Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any absolutes? |
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On Nov 13, 4:19 pm, L...@Rightwing.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:21:14 -0800 (PST), Jackney Sneeb
JackneySn...@gmail.com> wrote:
Care to relate to us what you know about the condition
America was eventually left in when that kind of
nonsense was actually being practiced?
Sure. The colonists had just defeated the most powerful army at the
time and were enjoying freedom like the world had never seen before.
That lasted about five years. Then the control freaks took the law
into their own hands and decided to create a "government" hardly any
different from the one they had just kicked out of the country.
I suggest you stop watching John Wayne, Hollywood
versions of History and concentrate on the policies of
the government 1880 -- 1929
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You asked a question; I answered it.
--Jackney Sneeb
"Gentlemen, we have been living under anarchy, yet the business of
living has gone on as usual. Be careful; if our debates last too much
longer, people may come to see that they can get along very well
without us." ~Benjamin Franklin
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Jackney Sneeb
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any absolutes? |
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On Nov 13, 4:22 pm, L...@Rightwing.com wrote:
| Quote: | This is hilarious. The legal issues ARE the result of "government"
involvement.
It is precisely BECAUSE of "government" involvement that the issue is
horrifically complicated.
well, one thing about it
Loonytarian "believers" are blowing massive
self-inflicted holes in their own set of beliefs
The historical record is a goldmine of abuse, greed,
excesses, sickness, exploitation, and collapse of the
American economy (eventually) caused by loonytarian
policies.
Social darwinism was something that was abandoned
generations ago because of the stupidity ot it.
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I refer you to the current regime in Washington DC as my rebuttal to
the belief that you can replace anarchy with "government."
--Jackney Sneeb
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any absolutes? |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:30:51 -0800 (PST), Jackney Sneeb
<JackneySneeb@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Social darwinism was something that was abandoned
generations ago because of the stupidity ot it.
I refer you to the current regime in Washington DC as my rebuttal to
the belief that you can replace anarchy with "government."
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The "Current regime" is the Bush/conservative regime
which, in financial matters, believes in market freedom
That freedom under loonytarian policies at the turn of
last century nearly did us in
Lack of government has always engendered massive
corruption, greed, that's associated with wealth and
power.
The "regimes" that flock to Washington will distribute
wealth (simplistically) in one of two ways
1. Allows wealth and power in unrestricted
acquisition of more wealth and power with the idea that
they, in turn, will produce conditions which require
hiring labor.
or;
2. Require all citizens to "contribute" in a graduated
fashion of their wealth/profit, and use the
"government" (elected representatives) to formulate
policy that places that money where a national interest
lies.
We tried #1----ended in failure
We tried #2 ---and ended up with the rise of the middle
class, and became the best nation on earth.
Now "some" want to return to #1------ |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any absolutes? |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:26:49 -0800 (PST), Jackney Sneeb
<JackneySneeb@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Gentlemen, we have been living under anarchy, yet the business of
living has gone on as usual.
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"anarchy" as Mr. Franklin used it was merely a literal
reading of the term
1917 Russia was "anarchy", as was the French Revolution
no relationship to Franklin's word. |
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Jackney Sneeb
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any absolutes? |
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On Nov 14, 9:21 am, L...@Rightwing.com wrote:
| Quote: | I refer you to the current regime in Washington DC as my rebuttal to
the belief that you can replace anarchy with "government."
The "Current regime" is the Bush/conservative regime
which, in financial matters, believes in market freedom
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Oh, really?? A multi-billion-dollar bailout of banks, interference in
the marketplace in unprecedented ways, including but not limited to a
$450 BILLION prescription drug "benefit" for old people, invading
other countries on spurious grounds, and handing out tax money to
churches is what you think "market freedom" is?
| Quote: | That freedom under loonytarian policies at the turn of
last century nearly did us in
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I wasn't around then, but I doubt anything "nearly did" us in. If
anything, the world population is expanding at a marvelous pace.
| Quote: | Lack of government has always engendered massive
corruption, greed, that's associated with wealth and
power.
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And you think taking those greedy, power mad people and putting them
in charge of taxing everyone, making rules for everyone, and putting
tanks, artillery, and nuclear weapons at their disposal makes them
into saints?
| Quote: | The "regimes" that flock to Washington will distribute
wealth (simplistically) in one of two ways
1. Allows wealth and power in unrestricted
acquisition of more wealth and power with the idea that
they, in turn, will produce conditions which require
hiring labor.
or;
2. Require all citizens to "contribute" in a graduated
fashion of their wealth/profit, and use the
"government" (elected representatives) to formulate
policy that places that money where a national interest
lies.
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What you fail to see is that #1 and #2 are the SAME THING.
--Jackney Sneeb
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Jackney Sneeb
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any absolutes? |
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On Nov 14, 9:23 am, L...@Rightwing.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:26:49 -0800 (PST), Jackney Sneeb
JackneySn...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Gentlemen, we have been living under anarchy, yet the business of
living has gone on as usual.
"anarchy" as Mr. Franklin used it was merely a literal
reading of the term
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That's how I use it, too: literally.
--Jackney Sneeb
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Are there any absolutes? |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:26:12 -0800 (PST), Jackney Sneeb
<JackneySneeb@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 14, 9:21 am, L...@Rightwing.com wrote:
I refer you to the current regime in Washington DC as my rebuttal to
the belief that you can replace anarchy with "government."
The "Current regime" is the Bush/conservative regime
which, in financial matters, believes in market freedom
Oh, really?? A multi-billion-dollar bailout of banks
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I didn't say that greed and self-serving acts don't
take precedence over that of a belief of keeping
government regulation out.
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That freedom under loonytarian policies at the turn of
last century nearly did us in
I wasn't around then, but I doubt anything "nearly did" us in.
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Sure did.
Government at the turn of last century was simply a
tool for business to use when necessary, but did little
to impede the function of business and wealth.
| Quote: | Lack of government has always engendered massive
corruption, greed, that's associated with wealth and
power.
And you think taking those greedy, power mad people and putting them
in charge of taxing everyone, making rules for everyone, and putting
tanks, artillery, and nuclear weapons at their disposal makes them
into saints?
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"Saint" doesn't enter in to it
We tax people to maintain a functioning government.
The issue is WHO and HOW (much) we tax those who have
and what we do with the power to do so
Conservatives want to allow the money, capital, and
power to flow to a small group of people because they
believe "they" will cause a downward flow of wealth and
oil the market machinery
(not withstanding it simply has little historical
evidence that it does so on a scale that helps the
nation)
Progressives want that power to tax to do specific
things---like build infrastructure, channel money to
projects that build america---not mass wealth in fewer
and fewer hands.
Whining about Ron Paul crap is about as unproductive as
it gets. He was a joke, always was, and always will
be.
| Quote: | The "regimes" that flock to Washington will distribute
wealth (simplistically) in one of two ways
1. Allows wealth and power in unrestricted
acquisition of more wealth and power with the idea that
they, in turn, will produce conditions which require
hiring labor.
or;
2. Require all citizens to "contribute" in a graduated
fashion of their wealth/profit, and use the
"government" (elected representatives) to formulate
policy that places that money where a national interest
lies.
What you fail to see is that #1 and #2 are the SAME THING.
--Jackney Sneeb
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What you fail to see is that by not seeing a
difference, you sound like a ron paul....... |
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