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AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was
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KalElFan
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain. In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

On Nov 13, 8:48 pm, "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain.  In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

And Obama didn't even need to bribe the Supreme Court, or
disenfranchise any voters.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

On Nov 13, 5:48 pm, "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain.  In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

WOW.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

On Nov 13, 9:31 pm, clouddreamer <Reduce.Re...@Recycle.today> wrote:
Quote:
KalElFan wrote:
"Georgiana Gates" <ram...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:491cded0$0$7345$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...

KalElFan wrote:

Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain.  In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

It only needed a swing of 500+ votes to change the 2000
election

Actually only 269 votes in Florida, from Bush to Gore

and a swing of 100,000 for Kerry to win in 2004.

Actually less than 60,000 votes in Ohio, from Bush to Kerry.

Your point is?

Unaltered by you underestimating how extraordinarily close
2000 and 2004 were.  No one called those two victories
landslides.  

Oh fer god's sake. Obama's win was convincing. A few more EVs and it
would have been a convincing landslide (375).

Hmm, you've been calling it a landslide all over Usenet.

Quote:
He won. Get over it.

I think he is over it. Why aren't you?
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Ubiquitous
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

In article <6o43o0F1p792U1@mid.individual.net>, kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com
wrote:

Quote:
McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain. In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

And you felt compelled to post this off-topic article here because?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:48:15 -0500, "KalElFan"
<kalelfan@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain. In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.

Really. So, if he'd only have had those 450,000 voters he would have
won the election?
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Chris Darwin
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

KalElFan wrote:
Quote:
Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain. In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

I think when you add in the house and senate gains it's a firm mandate.

zero incumbent dem losses in either house or senate,

20+ dems in the house

6+ dems in the senate
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FDR
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

KalElFan wrote:
Quote:
"Georgiana Gates" <ramrod@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:491cded0$0$7345$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...

KalElFan wrote:

Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain. In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

It only needed a swing of 500+ votes to change the 2000
election

Actually only 269 votes in Florida, from Bush to Gore

and a swing of 100,000 for Kerry to win in 2004.

Actually less than 60,000 votes in Ohio, from Bush to Kerry.

Your point is?

Unaltered by you underestimating how extraordinarily close
2000 and 2004 were. No one called those two victories
landslides. As I'd written in the other thread this one was
inspired by, 9 of the last 15 elections were won by greater
Electoral Vote margins than Obama won by here. So even
without looking at the closeness of the race in the seven key
states that made the difference, the Electoral Vote margin
was nothing special.

In 2004 Bush claimed he had a mandate. Are you disputuing that?

Quote:

The record voter turnout also turned out to be a myth. It's
a bit up from 2004. The new youth vote tidal wave, again
a myth. It was up perhaps a point from 2004.
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clouddreamer
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

JoneDark wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 13, 9:31 pm, clouddreamer <Reduce.Re...@Recycle.today> wrote:
KalElFan wrote:
"Georgiana Gates" <ram...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:491cded0$0$7345$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
KalElFan wrote:
Courtesy of another thread...
McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain. In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".
Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:
North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)
All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/
It only needed a swing of 500+ votes to change the 2000
election
Actually only 269 votes in Florida, from Bush to Gore
and a swing of 100,000 for Kerry to win in 2004.
Actually less than 60,000 votes in Ohio, from Bush to Kerry.
Your point is?
Unaltered by you underestimating how extraordinarily close
2000 and 2004 were. No one called those two victories
landslides.
Oh fer god's sake. Obama's win was convincing. A few more EVs and it
would have been a convincing landslide (375).

Hmm, you've been calling it a landslide all over Usenet.

I don't recall calling it a landslide.

His poll numbers up the election were flirting with "landslide numbers"
and that is exactly what he did...flirted with that 375.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

KalElFan wrote:
Quote:
"Georgiana Gates" <ramrod@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:491cded0$0$7345$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...

KalElFan wrote:

Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain. In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

It only needed a swing of 500+ votes to change the 2000
election

Actually only 269 votes in Florida, from Bush to Gore

and a swing of 100,000 for Kerry to win in 2004.

Actually less than 60,000 votes in Ohio, from Bush to Kerry.

Your point is?

Unaltered by you underestimating how extraordinarily close
2000 and 2004 were. No one called those two victories
landslides.

Oh fer god's sake. Obama's win was convincing. A few more EVs and it
would have been a convincing landslide (375).

He won. Get over it.

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KalElFan
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

"Georgiana Gates" <ramrod@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:491cded0$0$7345$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...

Quote:
KalElFan wrote:

Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain. In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

It only needed a swing of 500+ votes to change the 2000
election

Actually only 269 votes in Florida, from Bush to Gore

Quote:
and a swing of 100,000 for Kerry to win in 2004.

Actually less than 60,000 votes in Ohio, from Bush to Kerry.

Quote:
Your point is?

Unaltered by you underestimating how extraordinarily close
2000 and 2004 were. No one called those two victories
landslides. As I'd written in the other thread this one was
inspired by, 9 of the last 15 elections were won by greater
Electoral Vote margins than Obama won by here. So even
without looking at the closeness of the race in the seven key
states that made the difference, the Electoral Vote margin
was nothing special.

The record voter turnout also turned out to be a myth. It's
a bit up from 2004. The new youth vote tidal wave, again
a myth. It was up perhaps a point from 2004.
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MACK DADDY
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

On Nov 13, 6:09 pm, "mooseboys...@hotmail.com"
<mooseboys...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 13, 8:48 pm, "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:





Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain.  In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

And Obama didn't even need to bribe the Supreme Court, or
disenfranchise any voters.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's incredible when you consider how big the mandate would have been
if not for voter suppression and Diebold. I think Obama may have
actually got 500 electoral votes!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

On Nov 14, 3:52 am, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Nov 13, 6:09 pm, "mooseboys...@hotmail.com"



mooseboys...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 13, 8:48 pm, "KalElFan" <kalel...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote:

Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain.  In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

And Obama didn't even need to bribe the Supreme Court, or
disenfranchise any voters.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's incredible when you consider how big the mandate would have been
if not for voter suppression and Diebold.  I think Obama may have
actually got 500 electoral votes!

Just like Diebold's CEO delivered Ohio to Bush in 2004 with his
companies Electronic Voting Machines.
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JoneDark
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

On Nov 13, 10:58 pm, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
Quote:
KalElFan wrote:
"Georgiana Gates" <ram...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:491cded0$0$7345$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...

KalElFan wrote:

Courtesy of another thread...

McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain.  In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".

Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:

North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)

All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

It only needed a swing of 500+ votes to change the 2000
election

Actually only 269 votes in Florida, from Bush to Gore

and a swing of 100,000 for Kerry to win in 2004.

Actually less than 60,000 votes in Ohio, from Bush to Kerry.

Your point is?

Unaltered by you underestimating how extraordinarily close
2000 and 2004 were.  No one called those two victories
landslides.  As I'd written in the other thread this one was
inspired by, 9 of the last 15 elections were won by greater
Electoral Vote margins than Obama won by here.  So even
without looking at the closeness of the race in the seven key
states that made the difference, the Electoral Vote margin
was nothing special.

In 2004 Bush claimed he had a mandate.  Are you disputuing that?



The record voter turnout also turned out to be a myth.  It's
a bit up from 2004.  The new youth vote tidal wave, again
a myth.  It was up perhaps a point from 2004.

Mandate and landslide are two different things.
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JoneDark
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: AMAZING Election Fact -- How Close It Really Was Reply with quote

On Nov 13, 9:37 pm, clouddreamer <Reduce.Re...@Recycle.today> wrote:
Quote:
JoneDark wrote:
On Nov 13, 9:31 pm, clouddreamer <Reduce.Re...@Recycle.today> wrote:
KalElFan wrote:
"Georgiana Gates" <ram...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:491cded0$0$7345$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org...
KalElFan wrote:
Courtesy of another thread...
McCain's most efficient path to winning the election involved
convincing less than 450,000 Obama voters in TOTAL, in
seven key states, to switch from Obama to McCain.  In
effect, less than one-half of one percent of those voting in
the election, and less than one-sixth of one percent of the
U.S. population, all of them in 7 key states, elected Obama.
Something to consider for those who seem to think Obama
won in a "landslide".
Here are the states and the number of voters (rounded up
to the nearest 1,000 required to swing the result) who would
have had to be swayed from Obama to McCain:
North Carolina (7,000)
Indiana (13,000)
New Hampshire (34,000)
Iowa (71,000)
Florida (103,000)
Ohio (104,000)
Virginia (117,000)
All numbers based on the latest reported vote tallies from
the CNN web site (place the cursor over the state to see
the latest numbers).
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/
It only needed a swing of 500+ votes to change the 2000
election
Actually only 269 votes in Florida, from Bush to Gore
and a swing of 100,000 for Kerry to win in 2004.
Actually less than 60,000 votes in Ohio, from Bush to Kerry.
Your point is?
Unaltered by you underestimating how extraordinarily close
2000 and 2004 were.  No one called those two victories
landslides.  
Oh fer god's sake. Obama's win was convincing. A few more EVs and it
would have been a convincing landslide (375).

Hmm, you've been calling it a landslide all over Usenet.

I don't recall calling it a landslide.
His poll numbers up the election were flirting with "landslide numbers"
and that is exactly what he did...flirted with that 375.

Well I'm not going to do a search to argue such a small point. Suffice
it to say I'm new here and cruised through a few threads to get a feel
for the tone of the posters. Your posts are as giddy as a teen at a
David Cassidy concert! And you're pretty much an ostrich when it
comes to political discussion, aren't you? A bit PLONK-happy perhaps?
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