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 Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: Re: A Few Samples from the Babylonian Birth Speech (Obama's |
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The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Of course I don't expect YOU to see it. You're under the Great
Delusion and love the darkness more than the light.
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You are the deluded one, liar.
| Quote: | So...just go on living in denial.
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Never been to Egypt.
| Quote: | When you see a sudden disappearance of millions,
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I won't.
lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: Re: A Few Samples from the Babylonian Birth Speech (Obama's |
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The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Duh! If you don't accept Christ's blood for your sins, you are gonig
to hell, anyway. However, nowhere does Christ say that works of
righteousness will earn you salvation (which Paul says repeatedly
cannot happen). ONLY the blood of Christ saves you from hell (not
works of righteousness). Have you accepted the blood for your sins?
You have yet to answer my oft-repeated question: if faith alone suffices,
WHY does Jesus demand that you feed the hungry, clothe the naked,
and visit the imprisoned? Why does he say -- absolutely unambiguously --
that you will burn in hell if you do not?
Well?:
I JUST answered your question. Re-read my words. YOU are going to
hell if you don't accept Jesus....
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That does not answer the question.
| Quote: | "Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
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Easily dealt with. The mark of belief is that you do what he says.
Otherwise you are a liar and a hypocrite.
| Quote: | There isn't any mention of feeding the hungry or taking care of the
poor there.
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You ignore the other verses that do require it. Your method of
reconciling the two is to ignore the one by claiming that mere faith
is sufficient. But that is hardly the only interpretation, and indeed
if that was all there was to it, the New Testament would be a
paragraph long.
| Quote: | Indeed, back up two verses to the most referenced verse of the
Bible...John 3:16..."For God so loved the world that he gave his ONE
AND ONLY son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
eternal life."
Where's the social requirements?
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In the rest of the Bible that you ignore when convenient, but blather
about when it suits your perverted interpretation.
| Quote: | Let's go further in that chapter to John 3:36 NIV, "Whoever believes
in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see
life, for God's wrath REMAINS on him." (remains implies it was
already there)
Nope....no works path to salvation.
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Not relevant. The question is not whether "works" are sufficient, but
whether they are necessary in addition to faith.
| Quote: | So, what work did Christ HIMSELF specify is the sole requirement for
salvation? "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has
sent." John 6:29 NIV
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That is not what the verse says, since the verse does not mention
salvation at all.
| Quote: | Again..."I tell you the truth, he who believes has eternal life....I
am the living bread that comes down from heaven. If anyone eats of
this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I
will give for the life of the world" John 6:47, 51 NIV
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But if you do not do the works, your belief is a lie.
lojbab
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: A Few Samples from the Babylonian Birth Speech (Obama's |
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On Nov 6, 11:18 pm, Anlatt the Builder <tirh...@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 6, 6:32 pm, The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Judge not, lest you be judged.
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Are you judging me, Anlatt?
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Are you judging Obama, Clifton?
Yes, you are, Clifton.
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The_Carpathia
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: A Few Samples from the Babylonian Birth Speech (Obama's |
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On Nov 8, 7:51 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
| Quote: | The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I JUST answered your question. Re-read my words. YOU are going to
hell if you don't accept Jesus....
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
Easily dealt with. The mark of belief is that you do what he says.
Otherwise you are a liar and a hypocrite.
The rest of that verse is that those that do not believe are CONDEMNED
ALREADY since they rejected the Christ, since you deleted it.
Nobody gives a damn about your hokey self-serving hypocritical
interpretations of the Bible.
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It was a quotation that you deleted...not my words. However, I
understand that you think the actual words are spin. It's the only
way you can justify yourself....which is not what Christianity is all
about.
| Quote: | There isn't any mention of feeding the hungry or taking care of the
poor there.
You ignore the other verses that do require it. Your method of
reconciling the two is to ignore the one by claiming that mere faith
is sufficient. But that is hardly the only interpretation, and indeed
if that was all there was to it, the New Testament would be a
paragraph long.
There ARE no verses saying that works can earn salvation...NONE.
Nobody said that there were, idiot. But there are verses that say
that a LACK of works *WILL* earn condemnation.
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Are you and Cary reading skill deficient? Without Christ we ALREADY
are condemned. READ the verses I have given. I know you
INTENTIONALLY REMOVED those verses, since they contradicted you on
them. But, go back and re-read the post with them. Without Christ we
are "already" condemned (John 3:1 and without Christ God's wrath
"remains" on us. Works or no works, without Christ's blood to cover
your sins, you WILL go to hell. Do you have that covering? I hope
that you will confess your sins, acccept Christ's blood and join me in
Heaven...forgiven.
Kenneth Clifton
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MACK DADDY
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: A Few Samples from the Babylonian Birth Speech (Obama's |
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On Nov 7, 7:23 pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <042d4c77-3011-4820-8012-70abadf33...@r15g2000prh.googlegroups..com> The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Nov 7, 1:25=A0pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <8e4d5152-f8d9-4605-9dc0-cd40d5f40...@d42g2000prb.googlegroups> > .com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Nov 7, 12:14=3DA0pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote> > :
In article <eb54dc04-4e49-4f9e-a892-28786f107...@k1g2000prb.googlegro> > ups.=3D
com> The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
On Nov 6, 8:55=3D3DA0pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) > > wrote:
In article <77a5180f-3bca-44a2-bb0e-1a13c0e14...@c22g2000prc.goog> > legr=3D
oups=3D3D
.com> Anlatt the Builder <tirh...@aol.com> writes:
Wow.
Here's Jesus: Love your neighbor. Love your enemy. If someone s> > teal=3D
s
your coat, give him your shirt too. Judge not, lest you be judg> > ed.
Are you judging me, Anlatt?
Oh, Ken will just give you some faith-not-works verses.
And the when you ask why, if that's the case, Jesus bothered with> > all
the feed-the-poor, clothe-the-naked stuff in the first place,
Ken will explain:
On the contrary, the God that commands the TITHE (that cannot happe> > n
in a communist government that spreads the wealth)
Silly Ken. =3DA0I keep asking you how those Catholic Churches
in Havana stay in business (hint: not via government
subsidies) and you keep fleeing my question.
(second hint: no form of socialism or communism requires
you to *keep* what you receive)
does indeed give
suggestions about how to live,
"Suggestion"? =3DA0SUGGESTION?
I'd say this is a pretty strong "suggestion", wouldn't you?:
=3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, D> > epart from=3D
=A0me, ye
=3DA0 =3DA0 cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and> > his ang=3D
els:
Jesus "suggests" that you give your all for the disenfranchised --
and if you do not, He will "suggest" that you go straight to
Hell.
His words, not mine.
but He only gives ONE WORK for
salvation...by accepting HIS OWN BLOOD for your sins. =3DA0Without > > that
work, no other work will save you. =3DA0Have you done that work?
And He in addition says that if you do NOT also do these other works,> > you
will go to hell for your failures.
Doesn't He?
-- cary
Duh! =A0If you don't accept Christ's blood for your sins, you are gonig
to hell, anyway. =A0However, nowhere does Christ say that works of
righteousness will earn you salvation (which Paul says repeatedly
cannot happen). =A0ONLY the blood of Christ saves you from hell (not
works of righteousness). =A0Have you accepted the blood for your sins?
You have yet to answer my oft-repeated question: if faith alone suffices,
WHY does Jesus demand that you feed the hungry, clothe the naked,
and visit the imprisoned? =A0Why does he say -- absolutely unambiguously > > --
that you will burn in hell if you do not?
Well?:
I JUST answered your question. Re-read my words. YOU are going to
hell if you don't accept Jesus....
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not
believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the
name of God's one and only son." John 3:18 NIV
There isn't any mention of feeding the hungry or taking care of the
poor there.
Nope, there isn't. But there most certainly *is* in the section
of Matthew I quoted, and it won't go away no matter how much you
ignore it.
Indeed, back up two verses to the most referenced verse of the
Bible...John 3:16..."For God so loved the world that he gave his ONE
AND ONLY son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
eternal life."
Where's the social requirements?
In Matthew, where Jesus Himself says it. Remember Him?
Let's go further in that chapter to John 3:36 NIV, "Whoever believes
in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see
life, for God's wrath REMAINS on him." (remains implies it was
already there)
Nope....no works path to salvation.
So WHY DID JESUS SAY IT? I've asked time and again: why
did Jesus say it? You seem to think John's words trump
those of Jesus.
So, what work did Christ HIMSELF specify is the sole requirement for
salvation? "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has
sent." John 6:29 NIV
Again..."I tell you the truth, he who believes has eternal life....I
am the living bread that comes down from heaven. If anyone eats of
this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I
will give for the life of the world" John 6:47, 51 NIV
Then why did Jesus also say that you will be going to hell if you
fail to succor the poor?
C'mon, give that one a try:
And after you've done that -- not that you will, because you can't --
let's take a whack at this one. OK?
14: What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and
have not works? can faith save him?
15: If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16: And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the
body; what doth it profit?
17: Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18: Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy
faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19: Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also
believe, and tremble.
20: But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21: Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered
Isaac his son upon the altar?
22: Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith
made perfect?
23: And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and
it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of
God.
24: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith
only.
-- cary
So, have you receive that bread for your sins?
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MACK DADDY
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: A Few Samples from the Babylonian Birth Speech (Obama's |
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On Nov 7, 9:12 pm, The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 7, 9:42 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Duh! If you don't accept Christ's blood for your sins, you are gonig
to hell, anyway. However, nowhere does Christ say that works of
righteousness will earn you salvation (which Paul says repeatedly
cannot happen). ONLY the blood of Christ saves you from hell (not
works of righteousness). Have you accepted the blood for your sins?
You have yet to answer my oft-repeated question: if faith alone suffices,
WHY does Jesus demand that you feed the hungry, clothe the naked,
and visit the imprisoned? Why does he say -- absolutely unambiguously --
that you will burn in hell if you do not?
Well?:
I JUST answered your question. Re-read my words. YOU are going to
hell if you don't accept Jesus....
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
Easily dealt with. The mark of belief is that you do what he says.
Otherwise you are a liar and a hypocrite.
The rest of that verse is that those that do not believe are CONDEMNED
ALREADY since they rejected the Christ, since you deleted it.
There isn't any mention of feeding the hungry or taking care of the
poor there.
You ignore the other verses that do require it. Your method of
reconciling the two is to ignore the one by claiming that mere faith
is sufficient. But that is hardly the only interpretation, and indeed
if that was all there was to it, the New Testament would be a
paragraph long.
There ARE no verses saying that works can earn salvation...NONE. Give
me ONE verse from the New Testament that says salvation can be earned
by good works without accepting Christ....just ONE.
Indeed, back up two verses to the most referenced verse of the
Bible...John 3:16..."For God so loved the world that he gave his ONE
AND ONLY son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
eternal life."
Where's the social requirements?
In the rest of the Bible that you ignore when convenient, but blather
about when it suits your perverted interpretation.
As I said, give me ONE verse that says salvation can come from works
without accepting Christ.
Let's go further in that chapter to John 3:36 NIV, "Whoever believes
in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see
life, for God's wrath REMAINS on him." (remains implies it was
already there)
Nope....no works path to salvation.
Not relevant. The question is not whether "works" are sufficient, but
whether they are necessary in addition to faith.
Actually, that is NOT what the topic is. Go up the thread. Cary (or
yourself posing as Cary) said that lack of works would send you to
hell. I said that without Christ we are ALREADY on track to hell.
So, it wouldn't matter if we had works or not. Salvation from hell
comes from accepting the blood of Christ. Works beyond that are
great, but they are the escape from the eternal punishment and eternal
flame and eternal worm of hell. Do YOU have the blood of Christ to
save you from your sins?
So, what work did Christ HIMSELF specify is the sole requirement for
salvation? "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has
sent." John 6:29 NIV
That is not what the verse says, since the verse does not mention
salvation at all.
In verse 27, Christ tells someone to work for the food that leads to
eternal life. In verse 28, he asks what that work is. In verse 29
(above), Christ tells him. THAT is the only work God requires for
salvation.
Again..."I tell you the truth, he who believes has eternal life....I
am the living bread that comes down from heaven. If anyone eats of
this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I
will give for the life of the world" John 6:47, 51 NIV
But if you do not do the works, your belief is a lie.
Works are irrelevant. If your belief is a lie, you are going to hell
for not accepting Christ in truth...not for failing to do works that
cannot save on their own.
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oh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!!!!!!
Get a life! |
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MACK DADDY
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: A Few Samples from the Babylonian Birth Speech (Obama's |
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On Nov 8, 9:18 am, The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 8, 7:51 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I JUST answered your question. Re-read my words. YOU are going to
hell if you don't accept Jesus....
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
Easily dealt with. The mark of belief is that you do what he says..
Otherwise you are a liar and a hypocrite.
The rest of that verse is that those that do not believe are CONDEMNED
ALREADY since they rejected the Christ, since you deleted it.
Nobody gives a damn about your hokey self-serving hypocritical
interpretations of the Bible.
It was a quotation that you deleted...not my words. However, I
understand that you think the actual words are spin. It's the only
way you can justify yourself....which is not what Christianity is all
about.
There isn't any mention of feeding the hungry or taking care of the
poor there.
You ignore the other verses that do require it. Your method of
reconciling the two is to ignore the one by claiming that mere faith
is sufficient. But that is hardly the only interpretation, and indeed
if that was all there was to it, the New Testament would be a
paragraph long.
There ARE no verses saying that works can earn salvation...NONE.
Nobody said that there were, idiot. But there are verses that say
that a LACK of works *WILL* earn condemnation.
Are you and Cary reading skill deficient? Without Christ we ALREADY
are condemned. READ the verses I have given. I know you
INTENTIONALLY REMOVED those verses, since they contradicted you on
them. But, go back and re-read the post with them. Without Christ we
are "already" condemned (John 3:1 and without Christ God's wrath
"remains" on us. Works or no works, without Christ's blood to cover
your sins, you WILL go to hell. Do you have that covering? I hope
that you will confess your sins, acccept Christ's blood and join me in
Heaven...forgiven.
Kenneth Clifton
--www.2008jesus.com
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shalt not judgeth, yet all the muthafuckas who read that crap judge
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The_Carpathia
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: A Few Samples from the Babylonian Birth Speech (Obama's |
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On Nov 8, 12:35 pm, MACK DADDY <pepsivani...@msn.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 8, 9:18 am, The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 8, 7:51 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I JUST answered your question. Re-read my words. YOU are going to
hell if you don't accept Jesus....
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
Easily dealt with. The mark of belief is that you do what he says.
Otherwise you are a liar and a hypocrite.
The rest of that verse is that those that do not believe are CONDEMNED
ALREADY since they rejected the Christ, since you deleted it.
Nobody gives a damn about your hokey self-serving hypocritical
interpretations of the Bible.
It was a quotation that you deleted...not my words. However, I
understand that you think the actual words are spin. It's the only
way you can justify yourself....which is not what Christianity is all
about.
There isn't any mention of feeding the hungry or taking care of the
poor there.
You ignore the other verses that do require it. Your method of
reconciling the two is to ignore the one by claiming that mere faith
is sufficient. But that is hardly the only interpretation, and indeed
if that was all there was to it, the New Testament would be a
paragraph long.
There ARE no verses saying that works can earn salvation...NONE.
Nobody said that there were, idiot. But there are verses that say
that a LACK of works *WILL* earn condemnation.
Are you and Cary reading skill deficient? Without Christ we ALREADY
are condemned. READ the verses I have given. I know you
INTENTIONALLY REMOVED those verses, since they contradicted you on
them. But, go back and re-read the post with them. Without Christ we
are "already" condemned (John 3:1 and without Christ God's wrath
"remains" on us. Works or no works, without Christ's blood to cover
your sins, you WILL go to hell. Do you have that covering? I hope
that you will confess your sins, acccept Christ's blood and join me in
Heaven...forgiven.
Kenneth Clifton
--www.2008jesus.com
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I am a sinner worthy of hell...as are you. The difference is that I
have Christ's blood to pay for my sins. Do you?
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Bob LeChevalier
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The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I JUST answered your question. Re-read my words. YOU are going to
hell if you don't accept Jesus....
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
Easily dealt with. The mark of belief is that you do what he says.
Otherwise you are a liar and a hypocrite.
The rest of that verse is that those that do not believe are CONDEMNED
ALREADY since they rejected the Christ, since you deleted it.
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Nobody gives a damn about your hokey self-serving hypocritical
interpretations of the Bible.
| Quote: | There isn't any mention of feeding the hungry or taking care of the
poor there.
You ignore the other verses that do require it. Your method of
reconciling the two is to ignore the one by claiming that mere faith
is sufficient. But that is hardly the only interpretation, and indeed
if that was all there was to it, the New Testament would be a
paragraph long.
There ARE no verses saying that works can earn salvation...NONE.
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Nobody said that there were, idiot. But there are verses that say
that a LACK of works *WILL* earn condemnation.
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me ONE verse from the New Testament that says salvation can be earned
by good works without accepting Christ....just ONE.
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Why should I try to prove your false straw man?
| Quote: | Where's the social requirements?
In the rest of the Bible that you ignore when convenient, but blather
about when it suits your perverted interpretation.
As I said, give me ONE verse that says salvation can come from works
without accepting Christ.
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Why should I try to prove your false straw man?
| Quote: | Nope....no works path to salvation.
Not relevant. The question is not whether "works" are sufficient, but
whether they are necessary in addition to faith.
Actually, that is NOT what the topic is.
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That is what my topic is. And that is what everyone else's topic is.
You keep trying to make the topic what YOU want to talk about, and
none of us are playing along.
| Quote: | Go up the thread. Cary (or
yourself posing as Cary) said that lack of works would send you to
hell.
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Actually, he pointed out that the Bible said it.
| Quote: | I said that without Christ we are ALREADY on track to hell.
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So what?
| Quote: | So, it wouldn't matter if we had works or not.
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Without Christ, that may be so. But *with* Christ, it DOES matter,
because HE requires works.
| Quote: | Salvation from hell comes from accepting the blood of Christ. Works beyond that are
great,
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Without the works, the salvation is cancelled, because not doing works
shows that your faith is dead.
| Quote: | but they are the escape from the eternal punishment and eternal
flame and eternal worm of hell. Do YOU have the blood of Christ to
save you from your sins?
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I've answered the question at least 3 times for you already, including
once in the last day. I'm sorry if you have no memory.
| Quote: | But if you do not do the works, your belief is a lie.
Works are irrelevant.
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In your perversion of the Bible maybe.
| Quote: | If your belief is a lie, you are going to hell for not accepting Christ in truth.
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Same to you buddy. And your behavior shows that your belief is indeed
a lie.
lojbab
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Tartarus
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: A Few Samples from the Babylonian Birth Speech (Obama's |
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On Nov 7, 10:24 am, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
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On Nov 5, 9:06=A0am, The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Here's a few samples from the speech that birthed New Babylon....
You are too stupid to educate and too annoying to bear.
No, he's simply found his fantasy world to be more emotionally
satisfying than the actual world the rest of us live in,
and so he's taking up permanance residence there.
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Bob LeChevalier
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Re: A Few Samples from the Babylonian Birth Speech (Obama's |
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The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 8, 7:51 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I JUST answered your question. Re-read my words. YOU are going to
hell if you don't accept Jesus....
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
Easily dealt with. The mark of belief is that you do what he says.
Otherwise you are a liar and a hypocrite.
The rest of that verse is that those that do not believe are CONDEMNED
ALREADY since they rejected the Christ, since you deleted it.
Nobody gives a damn about your hokey self-serving hypocritical
interpretations of the Bible.
It was a quotation that you deleted...not my words.
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Nobody gives a damn about your hokey self-serving hypocritical
interpretations of the Bible, which includes your selective quoting of
the Bible.
| Quote: | However, I understand that you think the actual words are spin.
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The actual words were written or spoken in Aramaic or Greek. All
translations are "spin".
| Quote: | It's the only way you can justify yourself...
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I don't need to justify myself. I don't consider theology worth spit.
| Quote: | which is not what Christianity is all about.
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You have repeatedly demonstrated that you have no clue what
Christianity is all about. You only know Fallwell U's perversion of
the religion of Saul of Tarsus, and there is no real evidence that you
even understand that.
| Quote: | There isn't any mention of feeding the hungry or taking care of the
poor there.
You ignore the other verses that do require it. Your method of
reconciling the two is to ignore the one by claiming that mere faith
is sufficient. But that is hardly the only interpretation, and indeed
if that was all there was to it, the New Testament would be a
paragraph long.
There ARE no verses saying that works can earn salvation...NONE.
Nobody said that there were, idiot. But there are verses that say
that a LACK of works *WILL* earn condemnation.
Are you and Cary reading skill deficient?
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We can read far better than you.
| Quote: | Without Christ we ALREADY are condemned.
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So what?
| Quote: | READ the verses I have given.
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They aren't relevant.
| Quote: | Without Christ we are "already" condemned (John 3:1
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No one cares.
| Quote: | and without Christ God's wrath "remains" on us.
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No one cares.
| Quote: | Works or no works, without Christ's blood to cover your sins, you WILL go to hell.
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No one cares.
| Quote: | Do you have that covering?
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I've answered that enough times that you shouldn't need to ask. But
it is irrelevant. Even if your sins are covered, without the works,
you will be in hell where you deserve to be.
| Quote: | I hope
that you will confess your sins, acccept Christ's blood and join me in
Heaven...forgiven.
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You may have been forgiven once, but since you have shown no interest
in ceasing your unChristian behavior, you are a liar, apostate (and
probably a heretic to boot), and therefore bound for hell.
lojbab
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The_Carpathia
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On Nov 8, 9:19 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
| Quote: | "Bob" <n...@email.add> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:tqvbh4ludls12n39d7apickmruqv988qhg@4ax.com...
The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am a sinner worthy of hell...as are you. The difference is that I
have Christ's blood to pay for my sins. Do you?
Christ will refuse to pay for yours, because you are an unrepentant
sinner. You mouth the words, but faith isn't really there.
If you are a Christian, you owe him/her an apology.
Does the word "apologize" appear in the Bible? Is there a commandment
that requires it? Or are you making things up like Kennie does.
Kennie's behavior on the newsgroups is in the service of Satan, and it
is perfectly legitimate for me to call him on that behavior. Did
Christ apologize to Satan for rebuking him? Did Christ apologize to
the Pharisees for rebuking them?
He has never apologized to anyone for his repeated insults, EVEN after
the insults are proven wrong. He has indeed accused me of worse than
I accused him of.
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I AM a sinner. Did you not just hear me say it? You are too. I
accept the blood of Christ for my sins, and you delete the Scriptures
from my post to justify yourself. Others can judge who is following
Christ's plan of redemption and who is trying to stand on their own
merits.
However, you no longer have the excuse before God that someone didn't
give you the gospel and seek your forgiveness.
Kenneth Clifton
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The_Carpathia
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: Re: A Few Samples from the Babylonian Birth Speech (Obama's |
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On Nov 8, 1:02 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
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They aren't relevant.
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So, the you don't feel the WORDS OF CHRIST are relevant to understand
what Christ requires? Enough said.
As I have said before, I want to be present when you tell God that He
should judge you by YOUR standard instead of His.
Kenneth Clifton
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Bob LeChevalier
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The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I am a sinner worthy of hell...as are you. The difference is that I
have Christ's blood to pay for my sins. Do you?
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Christ will refuse to pay for yours, because you are an unrepentant
sinner. You mouth the words, but faith isn't really there.
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
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Bob
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:tqvbh4ludls12n39d7apickmruqv988qhg@4ax.com...
| Quote: | The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am a sinner worthy of hell...as are you. The difference is that I
have Christ's blood to pay for my sins. Do you?
Christ will refuse to pay for yours, because you are an unrepentant
sinner. You mouth the words, but faith isn't really there.
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