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 Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: Re: A Brave New America |
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| Quote: | If was easy we would would already have it: �http://GreaterVoice.org/extend--------------------------------
These Constitutional goals of improved representation are achieved by
physically locating the increased voting membership in offices much
closer to the people they represent. The Committee members of the current
House of Representatives remain officed in Washington DC where they
function exactly as they do now. For the extended representation video
conferencing allows them to function as they would if they were in the
nation's capital. The extended representation should be officed in the
districts they represent or in the state capitals but locating them
within the Washington DC beltway would just continue the undue influence
to the lobby and the political parties. The extended representatives will
become aware of pending "bills" exactly as members do now, by secure
electronic means. They will observe floor debates exactly as members do
now, on monitors in their offices. And they will vote on the "bills" as
members do now, without ever entering the House chamber.
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Accessibility to these representatives is a matter of great importance.<-Michael
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A nicely written piece, but from the standpoint of one who has been in
the trenches fighting the onslaught of big government, it's all cotton
candy. Sugary and sweet, but no substance.
During the second battle against a so-called "Home Rule Charter" in my
county, a promoter gave a flowery speech about the increased
representation the Charter, if passed, would give the people of the
country. I told him and the audience that I would rather see a king
on the throne of the county with severely limited power than a council
of 5000 with almost unlimited power. That is what that Charter would
have given us, a county government with almost unlimited power.
That is what we need today in the U.S. We need less power in the
Federal government and we already have a constitutional way to get
it. Restore the Constitution to the supreme law of the land. Return
more power to the States. The people can have far more representation
through their State representatives than they will have through
Congress regardless of the number in that body. Through the States,
the people can also regain control of the Senate and use it as it was
intended--as a check against growth of central power.
Many State constitutions would have to be revised to give more power
to the people in their local governments. Those wielding the power
have been driving us in exactly the opposite direction. They are
seeking greater consolidation of our local and even state
governments. I have a half-way decent article on that in my
lostliberty blog. The post is Regionalism - Death of the American
System.
Restoring the Constitution will destroy the real power in America and
render its puppet far less effective. It will do so by restoring the
power of issue of currency to where it belongs--in the Treasury and in
the people through their representatives in Congress. The president,
the puppet of wealth, will no longer have the power to legislate,
adjudicate, and administer law created by him and the executive
branch.
Of course, the real problem is how to tear the people away from their
boob tubes to learn the real cause of the problems and how they
developed and then get them to act. This won't happen unless they
learn to read and learn of those things that happened long before
1973.
Rick
18th Century Liberal
21st Century Reactionary
http://PhreedomPhan-lostliberty.blogspot.com
http://phreedomphan-americasenemies.blogspot.com/ |
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Michael Coburn
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: Re: A Brave New America |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:17:06 -0800, PhreedomPhan wrote:
| Quote: | -> There was also this minor inconvenience called the "Dust Bowl" and
lots
of stupid mistakes by the Fed of the day. <-Michael
Please! Don't call them stupid. It makes them cry all the way to the
bank with our money.
-> So. �Expand the House of Representatives and fix the problem by
giving control to the people. <-Michael
No. All you do then is make them buy more Congressmen. The power will
still reside in Washington under the watchful eye of the corporate
lobbyists. Giving control to the people is not as easy as you make it
sound.
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If was easy we would would already have it:
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend --------------------------------
These Constitutional goals of improved representation are achieved by
physically locating the increased voting membership in offices much
closer to the people they represent. The Committee members of the current
House of Representatives remain officed in Washington DC where they
function exactly as they do now. For the extended representation video
conferencing allows them to function as they would if they were in the
nation's capital. The extended representation should be officed in the
districts they represent or in the state capitals but locating them
within the Washington DC beltway would just continue the undue influence
to the lobby and the political parties. The extended representatives will
become aware of pending "bills" exactly as members do now, by secure
electronic means. They will observe floor debates exactly as members do
now, on monitors in their offices. And they will vote on the "bills" as
members do now, without ever entering the House chamber.
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Accessibility to these representatives is a matter of great importance.
| Quote: | There is little wrong with the current system that is not a result of
Republican deregulation. �Instead of reading how the banking system
worked prior to 1973, you might look at how it works now:
Nothing wrong that isn't the result of Republican deregulation? Good
one! I laughed so hard my ribs hurt.
Ignore what happened before 1973? Unfortunately, that's the way most
people feel. No matter how painful. No matter the economic privation
they may endure, they seem to think it's easier to repeat history than
learn from it.
Rick
18th Century Liberal
21st Century Reactionary
http://PhreedomPhan-lostliberty.blogspot.com
http://phreedomphan-americasenemies.blogspot.com/ |
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Michael Coburn
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: Re: A Brave New America |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:20:34 -0800, PhreedomPhan wrote:
| Quote: | If was easy we would would already have it:
�http://GreaterVoice.org/extend-------------------------------- These
Constitutional goals of improved representation are achieved by
physically locating the increased voting membership in offices much
closer to the people they represent. The Committee members of the
current House of Representatives remain officed in Washington DC where
they function exactly as they do now. For the extended representation
video conferencing allows them to function as they would if they were
in the nation's capital. The extended representation should be officed
in the districts they represent or in the state capitals but locating
them within the Washington DC beltway would just continue the undue
influence to the lobby and the political parties. The extended
representatives will become aware of pending "bills" exactly as members
do now, by secure electronic means. They will observe floor debates
exactly as members do now, on monitors in their offices. And they will
vote on the "bills" as members do now, without ever entering the House
chamber.
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Accessibility to these representatives is a matter of great
importance.<-Michael
A nicely written piece, but from the standpoint of one who has been in
the trenches fighting the onslaught of big government, it's all cotton
candy. Sugary and sweet, but no substance.
During the second battle against a so-called "Home Rule Charter" in my
county, a promoter gave a flowery speech about the increased
representation the Charter, if passed, would give the people of the
country. I told him and the audience that I would rather see a king on
the throne of the county with severely limited power than a council of
5000 with almost unlimited power. That is what that Charter would have
given us, a county government with almost unlimited power.
That is what we need today in the U.S. We need less power in the
Federal government and we already have a constitutional way to get it.
Restore the Constitution to the supreme law of the land. Return more
power to the States. The people can have far more representation
through their State representatives than they will have through Congress
regardless of the number in that body. Through the States, the people
can also regain control of the Senate and use it as it was intended--as
a check against growth of central power.
Many State constitutions would have to be revised to give more power to
the people in their local governments. Those wielding the power have
been driving us in exactly the opposite direction. They are seeking
greater consolidation of our local and even state governments. I have a
half-way decent article on that in my lostliberty blog. The post is
Regionalism - Death of the American System.
Restoring the Constitution will destroy the real power in America and
render its puppet far less effective. It will do so by restoring the
power of issue of currency to where it belongs--in the Treasury and in
the people through their representatives in Congress. The president,
the puppet of wealth, will no longer have the power to legislate,
adjudicate, and administer law created by him and the executive branch.
Of course, the real problem is how to tear the people away from their
boob tubes to learn the real cause of the problems and how they
developed and then get them to act. This won't happen unless they learn
to read and learn of those things that happened long before 1973.
Rick
18th Century Liberal
21st Century Reactionary
http://PhreedomPhan-lostliberty.blogspot.com
http://phreedomphan-americasenemies.blogspot.com/
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Well done... But we have different views in that you are obviously a
states rights type and I am not. You would (I hope) see repeal of the
17th amendment as a must (senators appointed by the state legislatures).
That seems to be part of your plan to restore government by the people.
I am not against the repeal of the 17th amendment or the repeal of the
16th. But I disagree with you concerning the size of electoral districts
for the US House and feel that smaller districts produce more
representative representatives. That is the goal. I am confused by your
position regarding the currency and the supposed control of the Congress
over the Treasury while at the same time wanting a king. It is very
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PhreedomPhan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: Re: A Brave New America |
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Well done... But we have different views in that you are obviously a
states rights type and I am not. You would (I hope) see repeal of
the
17th amendment as a must (senators appointed by the state
legislatures).
That seems to be part of your plan to restore government by the
people.
I am not against the repeal of the 17th amendment or the repeal of
the
16th. But I disagree with you concerning the size of electoral
districts
for the US House and feel that smaller districts produce more
representative representatives. That is the goal. I am confused by
your
position regarding the currency and the supposed control of the
Congress
over the Treasury while at the same time wanting a king. It is very
weird. <-Michael
Different views are okay. At least we're able to discuss them rather
than just call each other names like most of the Reps and Dems, libs
and cons in these groups.
I would definitely like to see the 16th and 17th repealed. Those
would be a good start to reducing the power of the central
government.
I'm not against increasing the number of representatives. I think you
are right there. The idea of remote attendence may work. I just
don't think it will go very far in limitting the control by extreme
wealth. That's why my answer is to move power downward to the States
and to the people. The counter trend now is to move power upward.
Unfortunately, the wealth that controls America today is
international. It's the international financier and the multinational
corporations. They want to move power up and out of the country to a
world government, probably attained through regional steps. Despite
the high sounding rhetoric produced by their propaganda mills in the
major universities and the mass media, the people will be stripped of
all their rights and probably most of their wealth. International law
will serve only those doing business on an international level, and, I
might add, ruling from that level.
I think neither of us has time to write a complete thesis on our
views, so some things are easily left unsaid or unclear. I do favor
"States' rights over an all powerful central government, but I prefer
individual rights over States' rights. I've looked at several State
consitutions including my state Pennsylvania's. They are an inversion
of the Federal idea of those powers not vested in the central
government being reserved to the States and to the people. These
constitutions grant specific rights to the people and reserve all
others to the State. I think that should be changed sending more
power down to the local governments and to the people.
As far as Congress and the Treasury is concerned, I am just refering
to the Constitutional set up. Congress was to have the power to coin
money and regulate the value thereof. The Treasury was an instrument
of Congress. It coins (or prints) the money authorized by Congress.
The Federal Reserve Act and, for that matter, the various national
bank acts gave that power to private bankers. Concentration of wealth
and the growth of the giant corporations are the results.
I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear on the "king." I didn't mean I
wanted a king, I just said I would rather have a king with severely
limited power than a council of 5000 with almost unlimited power in my
county seat. That's how "Home Rule Charters" are set up in
Pennsylvania, and, as regionalism is a federal project being imposed
on us through "revenue sharing," I suspect it is the case throughout
the U.S. It just illustrates my concern with substance rather than
form; with limited vs. unlimited government rather than monarchy vs.
democracy.
Rick
18th Century Liberal
21st Century Reactionary
http://PhreedomPhan-lostliberty.blogspot.com
http://phreedomphan-americasenemies.blogspot.com/ |
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PhreedomPhan
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Mimus, sorry, I don't understand what .sig means.
Thanks for the Global Research article. I don't know the source, but
it does fit the general pattern of manipulation to squeeze the wealth
from the middle class, and more importantly, bring down the standard
of living of the American people.
I couldn't read the other. There are occassions when I'm unable to
read or download a PDF file. I suspect that in most instances a
subscription to the providing site is required.
Thanks again.
Rick
18th Century Liberal
21st Century Reactionary
http://PhreedomPhan-lostliberty.blogspot.com
http://phreedomphan-americasenemies.blogspot.com/ |
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PhreedomPhan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: A Brave New America |
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On Nov 18, 10:42�am, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:36:03 -0800, obamao.sux.donki.dixsss wrote:
The Democrats seem to have found the perfect strategy to replace free
markets with government control. Their game plan is now clear: to move
incrementally but inexorably from capitalism (free markets) to
socialism (government control of economic activity). [at the expense
of your freedom]
Do you count the international petroleum cartel OPEC as an example of free
markets? what about the cartel of major lending investment-banks that just
extorted hundreds of billions of dollars from the US? do they represent
free markets? and is trade-competition between slaves (as in China) and
free labor a free market? and was it the Democrats who engineered and have
championed and champion all of the above?
Bonus question: Is plutocracy capitalism or vice-versa?
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All power and wealth to the wealthiest! anything less is class war!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.06...
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You might be interested in "Triumphant Plutocracy" a 1922 book by
Senator Richard Pettigrew. You can download from http://Yamaguchy.netfirms..com
but you have to do it by cutting and pasting chap. by chap. to your
WP. Take a look at it and, if you like it but don't want to cut and
paste, I can attach a Word or PDF copy to an email and send it to
you. I've downloaded almost everything on the site.
Rick
18th Century Liberal
21st Century Reactionary
http://PhreedomPhan-lostliberty.blogspot.com
http://phreedomphan-americasenemies.blogspot.com/ |
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mimus
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: Re: A Brave New America |
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:57:46 -0800, PhreedomPhan wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 18, 10:42�am, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:36:03 -0800, obamao.sux.donki.dixsss wrote:
The Democrats seem to have found the perfect strategy to replace free
markets with government control. Their game plan is now clear: to
move incrementally but inexorably from capitalism (free markets) to
socialism (government control of economic activity). [at the expense
of your freedom]
Do you count the international petroleum cartel OPEC as an example of
free markets? what about the cartel of major lending investment-banks
that just extorted hundreds of billions of dollars from the US? do they
represent free markets? and is trade-competition between slaves (as in
China) and free labor a free market? and was it the Democrats who
engineered and have championed and champion all of the above?
Bonus question: Is plutocracy capitalism or vice-versa?
You might be interested in "Triumphant Plutocracy" a 1922 book by
Senator Richard Pettigrew. You can download from
http://Yamaguchy.netfirms.com but you have to do it by cutting and
pasting chap. by chap. to your WP. Take a look at it and, if you like
it but don't want to cut and paste, I can attach a Word or PDF copy to
an email and send it to you. I've downloaded almost everything on the
site.
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Bookmarked for further examination, although there are some fairly lurid
titles there, as well as some seriously suspect thinkers (Lindbergh and
Pound, the former of whom was protected from being prosecuted as a Nazi
sympathizer by his hero/celebrity status, and the latter who managed to
beat a treason rap based on his wartime friendliness to Fascist Italy by
use of the "poet" or "idiot" defense-- his friends and admirers just had
him mental-hospitalized until it all blew over, although he spent awhile
at first in an outdoor "death cell" in an American prison-camp at Pisa,
writing maybe his best poetry, the _Pisan Cantos_, while waiting to be
tried and executed . . . ).
I imagine the good Senator grew ever more heart-sick as the 'Twenties
roared right on down the primrose path, wot the last quarter-century or so
has most eerily paralleled . . . .
(I wish someone would type up and web William Drummond's _Academical
Questions_, which is pure philosophy-- the only copies running around tend
to run at costs that freeze my blood . . . .)
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There's no point in gilding this age.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.062606.pdf |
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mimus
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:24:05 -0800, PhreedomPhan wrote:
| Quote: | Mimus, sorry, I don't understand what .sig means.
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Sorry, Usenet-speak for the signature, the small message at the end of a
post, preceded by a two-dash-a-space-and-a-return delimiter.
| Quote: | Thanks for the Global Research article. I don't know the source, but
it does fit the general pattern of manipulation to squeeze the wealth
from the middle class, and more importantly, bring down the standard
of living of the American people.
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The major structural roots of our present horror are over the longest term
overpopulation; over the last several decades the price-gouging of the
international petroleum cartel OPEC and its "petroleum-industrial
complex", and in particular for the US the oil-state Texas and its
politicians, which serve as OPEC's Fifth Column in the US; "out-sourcing"
of manufacturing jobs, in evasion of American law with regard to provision
of goods and services intended for use in America, including tax-law,
labor law, and labor-, consumer- and environmental-safety laws, reducing
not only working-people's incomes (the vast majority of Americans, those
whose sole financial resource is their labor, regardless of skill-level)
but also State and Federal income-tax revenues, all quite deliberately;
importation of illegal immigrant labor to drive the value of labor down
further still, again quite deliberately; shifting of the tax-burden from
the very wealthiest to working people; the destruction of the anti-trust
laws and Glass-Steagle, allowing the emergence of great financial powers
able to twist and extort government at will, as in the "credit crunch"
used to extort hundreds of billions of dollars from the Treasury for the
investment-banks; and finally the opening of the floodgates to
speculators, in mortgages, energy, basic commodities, much of which falls
into a regular pattern of deregulate- loot- re-regulate- and bail-out,
culminating in the recent Oil Bubble of 2006-8 that was like a hammer-blow
against an already reeling working class and economy, and which sent us
into the downward spiral we're still seeing . . . .
No one seems to be talking about remedying any of the above, yet any
"solutions" of our present crisis that don't are pure hoaxes.
| Quote: | I couldn't read the other. There are occassions when I'm unable to read
or download a PDF file. I suspect that in most instances a subscription
to the providing site is required.
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No, no subscription required (not that PDF files don't suck in general).
Try again; your NT system really should be able to handle it:
http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.062606.pdf
The Oil Bubble was seen coming at its very outset, yet the Bush and Blair
Administrations, and the American Congress and British Parliament, which
allowed its engineering, of course did nothing. Of course.
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Great concentrations of wealth, whether private or corporate, form
clear and present dangers to every republic in which they occur.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.062606.pdf |
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PhreedomPhan
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: A Brave New America |
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| Quote: | You might be interested in "Triumphant Plutocracy" a 1922 book by
Senator Richard Pettigrew. �You can download from
http://Yamaguchy.netfirms.combut you have to do it by cutting and
pasting chap. by chap. to your WP. �Take a look at it and, if you like
it but don't want to cut and paste, I can attach a Word or PDF copy to
an email and send it to you. �I've downloaded almost everything on the
site.<-Phree
Bookmarked for further examination, although there are some fairly lurid
titles there, as well as some seriously suspect thinkers (Lindbergh and
Pound, the former of whom was protected from being prosecuted as a Nazi
sympathizer by his hero/celebrity status, and the latter who managed to
beat a treason rap based on his wartime friendliness to Fascist Italy by
use of the "poet" or "idiot" defense-- his friends and admirers just had
him mental-hospitalized until it all blew over, although he spent awhile
at first in an outdoor "death cell" in an American prison-camp at Pisa,
writing maybe his best poetry, the _Pisan Cantos_, while waiting to be
tried and executed . . . ).
I imagine the good Senator grew ever more heart-sick as the 'Twenties
roared right on down the primrose path, wot the last quarter-century or so
has most eerily paralleled . . . .
(I wish someone would type up and web William Drummond's _Academical
Questions_, which is pure philosophy-- the only copies running around tend
to run at costs that freeze my blood . . . .)
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There's no point in gilding this age. <-mimus
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Frankly, I never read the Mullins writings and you may be right. I
definitely think you are wrong about Lindbergh. It depends largely on
your point of view. Personally, I have no use for Communism,
Socialism, or Fascism. I've come to believe all are slightly variant
forms of the ultimate capitalist monopoly in which the state owns or
controls everything and the capitalists own the state. The only
significant difference I see between Communism and Fabianism on the
one hand and Fascism on the other is that their seems to be an element
of patriotism in Fascism whereas the others are globalist and seek
destruction of national governments in favor of a world government.
There is no doubt in my mind that the international financier and the
multinational corporations will own that world government. Hell,
they're financing the movement. Patriotism is probably the only thing
Lindbergh is "guilty" of, so maybe he has been classed as a fascist.
I don't know if anyone retypes the old books. They are scanned,
OCR'd, and then proofread. I'm working on a couple myself, but I went
back to posting to give my eyes and head a rest. Conversion can be
very tedious. Two that are on my list for conversion are published by
Novosti Press. I will include them on a CD I'm putting together along
with all the writings from Yama.
For years I have been buying cheap old books at thrifts, flea markets,
library sales, and used book stores. I have a library of over 1000
books that cost about a buck each. They go back well into the 19th
Century. I've learned that you can find truth and lies in just about
everything you read. For that reason I read all sorts of views. I
would like to get ahold of "Mein Kampf." Why? Well, I was never
interested in it before, but since it became obvious the government
doesn't want us to read it, I figure there is some truth in it that
they don't want us to know. The U. of PA has it in ebook, but we
can't download in the U.S. They claim copyright can protect a work up
to 90 years, as effective a book burning as you can get short of
actual burning. Oddly, the U. of PA does make its ebook available to
people in Russia. At least, that's how it was about 4 to 6 mos. ago.
BTW, skim a few more of the books at Yamaguchy. I think you'll find a
number that express "socialist" or "progressive" views. I may be
naive, but I suspect many of those books may have been written before
money took over the movements.
Rick
18th Century Liberal
21st Century Reactionary
http://PhreedomPhan-lostliberty.blogspot.com
http://phreedomphan-americasenemies.blogspot.com/ |
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PhreedomPhan
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: A Brave New America |
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Thanks! This time I waited and waited and it finally appeared. It's
now in my files.
Our entire economy is a bubble and it has been for decades. It could
have been avoided if Washington had listened to Jefferson instead of
the economic royalist Hamilton. Jefferson had the answers 200 years
ago. Note his recommendation that we follow any banking system except
that of England. It was that system that Hamilton and Washington
imposed on us and we have been paying ever since.
"If the debt which the banking companies owe be a blessing...it is to
themselves alone, who are realizing a solid interest of eight to ten
per cent on it.
As to the public, these companies have banished all our gold and
silver medium, which..
..before we had without interest, which never could have perished in
our hands, and would have been our salvation now in the hour of war;
instead of which they have given us two hundred millions of froth and
bubble, on which we are to pay them heavy interest..."
(Letter to Eppes).
"Here we have a set of people...who have bestowed on us the great
blessing of running in out debt about 200 millions of dollars, without
our knowing who they are or what they are...
And to fill up the measure of blessings, instead of paying, they
receive an interest on what they owe...
And they are so ready still to deal out their liberalities to us that
they are willing to let themselves run our debt ninety millions more,
on our paying them the same premium of six or eight percent
interest..."
(Letter to Eppes, November 6, 1813).
"(T)he toleration of banks of paper discount, costs the United States
one-half of their war taxes, or, in other words, doubles the expenses
of every war."
"If the American People ever allow the banks to control the issuance
of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks
and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people
of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent
their fathers occupied.
The issuing power of money should be taken from the bankers and
restored to Congress and the people to whom it belongs.
I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power
of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies."
"We are completely saddled and bridled, and the bank is so firmly
mounted on us that we must go where they ill guide."
"The dominion which the banking institutions have obtained over the
minds of our citizens...must be broken, or it will break us."
(Letter to James Monroe, January 1, 1815).
"But it will be asked, are we to have no banks?
Are merchants and others to be deprived of the resources of short
accommodations, found so convenient?
I answer, let us have banks; but let them be such as are alone to be
found in any country on earth, except Great Britain.
There is not a bank of discount on the continent of Europe... which
offers anything but cash in exchange for discounted bills.
No one has a natural right to the trade of a money lender, but he who
has the money to lend.
Let those then, among us, who have a monied capital, and who prefer
employing it in loans rather than otherwise, set up banks, and give
cash or national bills for the notes they discount."
(Letter to J.W. Eppes, 1813).
Rick
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21st Century Reactionary
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: Re: A Brave New America |
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On Nov 22, 6:12�pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:17:26 -0800,PhreedomPhanwrote:
You might be interested in "Triumphant Plutocracy" a 1922 book by
Senator Richard Pettigrew. You can download from
http://Yamaguchy.netfirms.combutyou have to do it by cutting and
pasting chap. by chap. to your WP. Take a look at it and, if you like
it but don't want to cut and paste, I can attach a Word or PDF copy to
an email and send it to you. I've downloaded almost everything on the
site.<-Phree
Bookmarked for further examination, although there are some fairly lurid
titles there, as well as some seriously suspect thinkers (Lindbergh and
Pound, the former of whom was protected from being prosecuted as a Nazi
sympathizer by his hero/celebrity status, and the latter who managed to
beat a treason rap based on his wartime friendliness to Fascist Italy by
use of the "poet" or "idiot" defense-- his friends and admirers just had
him mental-hospitalized until it all blew over, although he spent awhile
at first in an outdoor "death cell" in an American prison-camp at Pisa,
writing maybe his best poetry, the _Pisan Cantos_, while waiting to be
tried and executed . . . ).
I imagine the good Senator grew ever more heart-sick as the 'Twenties
roared right on down the primrose path, wot the last quarter-century or so
has most eerily paralleled . . . .
(I wish someone would type up and web William Drummond's _Academical
Questions_, which is pure philosophy-- the only copies running around tend
to run at costs that freeze my blood . . . .)
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There's no point in gilding this age. <-mimus
Frankly, I never read the Mullins writings and you may be right. �I
definitely think you are wrong about Lindbergh. �It depends largely on
your point of view. �Personally, I have no use for Communism,
Socialism, or Fascism. �I've come to believe all are slightly variant
forms of the ultimate capitalist monopoly in which the state owns or
controls everything and the capitalists own the state. �The only
significant difference I see between Communism and Fabianism on the
one hand and Fascism on the other is that their seems to be an element
of patriotism in Fascism whereas the others are globalist and seek
destruction of national governments in favor of a world government.
There is no doubt in my mind that the international financier and the
multinational corporations will own that world government. �Hell,
they're financing the movement.
I'm so old I remember when it was the _liberals_ who were the globalist
friends of the Chinese Communists . . . .
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Conservatism = plutocracy + theocracy + hypocrisy
Liberalism = plutocracy + psychosociocracy + hypocrisy
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.06...- Hide quoted text -
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I like your definitions.
For what it's worth, back in my counter political activist days, we
were aware of two groups that met monthly in Philadelphia and we
believe in every major city in the U.S. Each group leader probably
had an assigned territory and would chair the meetings in his cities.
These were called the Alpha Group and the Omega Group. All of the
"left-wing" coordinators, group leaders, and various paid activists
would report the activities of their group for the past month to the
Alpha Group. Their "right-wing" counterparts would report their
activities to the Omega Group. The two groups were almost identical
in organization and operation. This, and the choice of their names,
Alpha and Omega the biblical beginning and end, led us to believe both
were controlled by the same "center." Make that "top center."
They provide the means for implimenting the Hegelian Dialectic of
Thesis, Anti-thesis, Synthesis. After each round, the Synthesis
becomes the new Thesis and the process starts over. Each new
Synthesis can be represented as a vector. If the "left" has provided
the Anti-thesis then the vector has a left oriented component and a
forward oriented component. People on the left cheer the victory. If
the "right" has provided the Anti-thesis then the vector has a "right"
oriented and a forward oriented component. People on the "right"
cheer the victory. Neither side seems to notice where the forward
oriented component is taking us. It is always toward more
centralized, totalitarian government, an end to the Bill of Rights,
dissolution of our national sovereignty, and the reduction of the
human race to serfdom. In both cases, the people at the top cheer the
victory. They are the only ones with a real reason to cheer.
Both sides, the "liberals" and "conservatives" the Democrats and the
Republicans accuse each other of destroying the country. Both sides
are right. Of course, I'm refering to the rank and file of these
philosophies/parties. At the top they are all one.
Rick
18th Century Liberal
21st Century Reactionary
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: Re: A Brave New America |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:17:26 -0800, PhreedomPhan wrote:
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You might be interested in "Triumphant Plutocracy" a 1922 book by
Senator Richard Pettigrew. �You can download from
http://Yamaguchy.netfirms.combut you have to do it by cutting and
pasting chap. by chap. to your WP. �Take a look at it and, if you like
it but don't want to cut and paste, I can attach a Word or PDF copy to
an email and send it to you. �I've downloaded almost everything on the
site.<-Phree
Bookmarked for further examination, although there are some fairly lurid
titles there, as well as some seriously suspect thinkers (Lindbergh and
Pound, the former of whom was protected from being prosecuted as a Nazi
sympathizer by his hero/celebrity status, and the latter who managed to
beat a treason rap based on his wartime friendliness to Fascist Italy by
use of the "poet" or "idiot" defense-- his friends and admirers just had
him mental-hospitalized until it all blew over, although he spent awhile
at first in an outdoor "death cell" in an American prison-camp at Pisa,
writing maybe his best poetry, the _Pisan Cantos_, while waiting to be
tried and executed . . . ).
I imagine the good Senator grew ever more heart-sick as the 'Twenties
roared right on down the primrose path, wot the last quarter-century or so
has most eerily paralleled . . . .
(I wish someone would type up and web William Drummond's _Academical
Questions_, which is pure philosophy-- the only copies running around tend
to run at costs that freeze my blood . . . .)
--
There's no point in gilding this age. <-mimus
Frankly, I never read the Mullins writings and you may be right. I
definitely think you are wrong about Lindbergh. It depends largely on
your point of view. Personally, I have no use for Communism,
Socialism, or Fascism. I've come to believe all are slightly variant
forms of the ultimate capitalist monopoly in which the state owns or
controls everything and the capitalists own the state. The only
significant difference I see between Communism and Fabianism on the
one hand and Fascism on the other is that their seems to be an element
of patriotism in Fascism whereas the others are globalist and seek
destruction of national governments in favor of a world government.
There is no doubt in my mind that the international financier and the
multinational corporations will own that world government. Hell,
they're financing the movement.
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I'm so old I remember when it was the _liberals_ who were the globalist
friends of the Chinese Communists . . . .
--
Conservatism = plutocracy + theocracy + hypocrisy
Liberalism = plutocracy + psychosociocracy + hypocrisy
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.062606.pdf |
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